Rubicon 20th Anniversary Edition Discussion

[TheBeast23]

If you ceramic it now the guy who does the ppf down the road will have to get that ceramic off for the ppf to adhere and that’s done through polishing it back off. Aka that’s work and money… Just food for thought.

Your statement is 100% correct. My shop does it all - If I decide to PPF a year or two down the road, they told me we would work it out - After all, they get a MAJOR PREMIUM to do a FULL INSTALL on these 392’s since they basically have to dismantle much of the entire vehicle to do it CORRECTLY.
At this time, I am not interested in having my brand new 20A dismantled and simply want to be able to clean and maintain this garage kept BEAST for now.

 

[TheBeast23]

Is that the case even if it's enough years down the road that it's past the expected life of the ceramic coating and it hasn't been redone (let's say 5 or 8 years or so)?

Yes they would still need to strip and prep the vehicle properly for the New PPF.
It’s really not that bad nor costly IF the vehicle only requires a ONE STAGE MACHINE CORRECTION. They should pretty much throw it in the cost when you do a Full PPF Wrap as they would need to prepare the vehicle properly anyways. Full service hand wash, chemical/mechanical decontamination, paint work surface prep, etc which is essentially the same process they perform before the Ceramic Coating is done. A Great Shop is the key on the PPF - Very Involved on these vehicles.

 

[Dral97]

To change the subject a bit, I feel a little bad for some of the folks on the FB group. I'm starting to see a lot of people who are asking about getting 20As, but have no idea about how it worked. It's not really their fault, but there are going to be a bunch of disappointed people. I almost wish Jeep would take down the 20A info from their site at this point. Of course they won't because of the advertising value, which I get.

 

[Marksman]

Has anybody found any reliable information on the actual suspension differences between the 20A 392 and the standard 392XR in terms of springs, shocks, etc.?

I’m hoping that they might go with an actual Fox shock on the 20A, but I’m not holding my breath on that one.

I’m also wondering if that reported additional 1/2” of lift is really there to assure that 37’s will clear without any modifications and they are just not installing the 37’s on from the factory because of all the downstream issues (need to further bolster the rear tire carrier, lower fuel economy, increased braking distance, rollover propensity, etc., etc.). We all know that 37’s will fit on the standard 392XR, but the clearance is really not there to wheel with 37’s without at least mild modifications.

Maybe this additional 1/2” of lift is Jeep’s way of getting the 20A rigs closer to being able to wheel with 37’s?

 

[leakgator]

Has anybody found any reliable information on the actual suspension differences between the 20A 392 and the standard 392XR in terms of springs, shocks, etc.?

I’m hoping that they might go with an actual Fox shock on the 20A, but I’m not holding my breath on that one.

I’m also wondering if that reported additional 1/2” of lift is really there to assure that 37’s will clear without any modifications and they are just not installing the 37’s on from the factory because of all the downstream issues (need to further bolster the rear tire carrier, lower fuel economy, increased braking distance, rollover propensity, etc., etc.). We all know that 37’s will fit on the standard 392XR, but the clearance is really not there to wheel with 37’s without at least mild modifications.

Maybe this additional 1/2” of lift is Jeep’s way of getting the 20A rigs closer to being able to wheel with 37’s?

I am not sure of the shocks or whatever, but the bump stop remains the same.

 

[Bobo57]

Has anybody found any reliable information on the actual suspension differences between the 20A 392 and the standard 392XR in terms of springs, shocks, etc.?

I’m hoping that they might go with an actual Fox shock on the 20A, but I’m not holding my breath on that one.

I’m also wondering if that reported additional 1/2” of lift is really there to assure that 37’s will clear without any modifications and they are just not installing the 37’s on from the factory because of all the downstream issues (need to further bolster the rear tire carrier, lower fuel economy, increased braking distance, rollover propensity, etc., etc.). We all know that 37’s will fit on the standard 392XR, but the clearance is really not there to wheel with 37’s without at least mild modifications.

Maybe this additional 1/2” of lift is Jeep’s way of getting the 20A rigs closer to being able to wheel with 37’s?

There's also no mention of the upgraded brakes. I'm hoping that's included but you never know. Can't imagine them going that far and not doing that.

 

[jingle]

Hey @Bobo57 - looking at your avatar - did you order a Punk'n 20A 392? I really wanted a Punk'n 392, but the red seats kept me from going that route. Chickened out and ordered black.

 

[Bobo57]

Hey @Bobo57 - looking at your avatar - did you order a Punk'n 20A 392? I really wanted a Punk'n 392, but the red seats kept me from going that route. Chickened out and ordered black.

Yup I went with the orange. The only other color I would consider was the purple, but that would probably look even crazier with the red. As I recall I don’t think it was on the 20A color list.
yeah the red and orange might be a bit over the top but I love orange on a car, have a Go Mango Demon.
if I just can’t take it after it arrives, I’ll get leather seats.com or some other to do covers in brown or black. I sent away for some leather samples and the ‘mitt’ color looked cool. But then again you can’t go wrong with black. It’ll probably cost a few buck since I’d want to keep the original 20A seats. So if I do decide to change the interior color I’ll be looking for a second set of seats to recover, ouch!.

 

[jingle]

That's awesome! Definitely jealous. I was so dead set on a Punk'n 392XR and missed my opportunity to order one. Was then going with Punk'n on the 20A until I saw the seats. I still think it'd be okay. My kids said it would look like a "hot Cheeto" .

Can't wait to see your build!

 

[Bobo57]

That's awesome! Definitely jealous. I was so dead set on a Punk'n 392XR and missed my opportunity to order one. Was then going with Punk'n on the 20A until I saw the seats. I still think it'd be okay. My kids said it would look like a "hot Cheeto" .

Can't wait to see your build!

Hot cheeto, ha, that could be my custom plate. HOT CHTO
Can’t go wrong with black on the 392, will look super when it’s cleaned. Years ago I bought a black mustang and loved it. Looked awesome but got dirty fast.
Cant wait either, will certainly post pics when it arrives.

 

[jingle]

Love it!

 

[KungFu392]

Has anybody found any reliable information on the actual suspension differences between the 20A 392 and the standard 392XR in terms of springs, shocks, etc.?

I’m hoping that they might go with an actual Fox shock on the 20A, but I’m not holding my breath on that one.

I’m also wondering if that reported additional 1/2” of lift is really there to assure that 37’s will clear without any modifications and they are just not installing the 37’s on from the factory because of all the downstream issues (need to further bolster the rear tire carrier, lower fuel economy, increased braking distance, rollover propensity, etc., etc.). We all know that 37’s will fit on the standard 392XR, but the clearance is really not there to wheel with 37’s without at least mild modifications.

Maybe this additional 1/2” of lift is Jeep’s way of getting the 20A rigs closer to being able to wheel with 37’s?

There is no reason to believe that it will be any different than any other XR. Don't get hung up on that "1/2" inch" of lift. It's likely nothing more than marketing B.S. I would be shocked if there was anything at all different about the 20A and the standard XR 392 besides the stickers (and the other options that we all already know come with the 20A). The XR Package is part of the 20A package. That's it. DO NOT expect Fox Shocks. Jeep has been adamant that the shocks on the XR are BETTER than the Fox shocks on the regular 392s and they are not about to go back on that party line now.

 

[Marksman]

There is no reason to believe that it will be any different than any other XR. Don't get hung up on that "1/2" inch" of lift. It's likely nothing more than marketing B.S. I would be shocked if there was anything at all different about the 20A and the standard XR 392 besides the stickers (and the other options that we all already know come with the 20A). The XR Package is part of the 20A package. That's it. DO NOT expect Fox Shocks. Jeep has been adamant that the shocks on the XR are BETTER than the Fox shocks on the regular 392s and they are not about to go back on that party line now.

Agreed. My expectation is nothing different than my current XR. Maybe they will surprise us.

 

[KungFu392]

Agreed. My expectation is nothing different than my current XR. Maybe they will surprise us.

Honestly, I don't need any "surprise." I absolutely love our current XR. I don't need it to change one bit. The only reason I ordered the 20A is because I got the opportunity, I wanted the half doors (and stupidly failed to order them with my 2022) and I think it will be even cooler to have a limited run "last of the Mohicans" edition like this. Plus, I oddly am starting to dig the red accents inside. The air compressor is neat, but there are better aftermarket options out there.

I think the 392XR is the best Jeep ever produced. Could it get better? Maybe, but I doubt it ever will be. I don't NEED 37s, but if I wanted them, I could slap them on and change nothing else. I don't NEED a Hellcat and Jeep will NEVER produce one. Otherwise, how on earth could this factory Jeep get better? I don't know... and frankly, I don't care. I'm completely satisfied with this one.

 

[Bobo57]

Agreed. My expectation is nothing different than my current XR. Maybe they will surprise us.

Hard to believe it’s an extra $3-$4k for stickers and red stitching.

 

[KungFu392]

Hard to believe it’s an extra $3-$4k for stickers and red stitching.

It's an extra $3-4K because "Jeep is a hell of a salesman and we're too stupid to know any better" (a la Dan Akroyd in Tommy Boy).

We all jumped in line to buy the "commerative edition." They knew we would and they know we'd pay a premium... and they were right.

And my hope is that once all of the plebs who missed the boat realize that they missed the boat, they decide that the next best thing is a used 2022 Xtreme Recon with low miles and they pay a premium for mine.

 

[jandersendo]

It's an extra $3-4K because "Jeep is a hell of a salesman and we're too stupid to know any better" (a la Dan Akroyd in Tommy Boy).

We all jumped in line to buy the "commerative edition." They knew we would and they know we'd pay a premium... and they were right.

And my hope is that once all of the plebs who missed the boat realize that they missed the boat, they decide that the next best thing is a used 2022 Xtreme Recon with low miles and they pay a premium for mine.

Nah that value is sinking every day thanks to Jerome Powell

 

[KungFu392]

Nah that value is sinking every day thanks to Jerome Powell

Yeah, for those of us who can still afford near 6 figure toys (or maybe just bad enough with money to buy them), I don’t think what he says is having the same impact….yet.

 

[MDawg]

Has anybody found any reliable information on the actual suspension differences between the 20A 392 and the standard 392XR in terms of springs, shocks, etc.?

I’m hoping that they might go with an actual Fox shock on the 20A, but I’m not holding my breath on that one.

I’m also wondering if that reported additional 1/2” of lift is really there to assure that 37’s will clear without any modifications and they are just not installing the 37’s on from the factory because of all the downstream issues (need to further bolster the rear tire carrier, lower fuel economy, increased braking distance, rollover propensity, etc., etc.). We all know that 37’s will fit on the standard 392XR, but the clearance is really not there to wheel with 37’s without at least mild modifications.

Maybe this additional 1/2” of lift is Jeep’s way of getting the 20A rigs closer to being able to wheel with 37’s?

So I’ve been curious about this too. I think I may have sleuthed the answer. I found a stat on the normal XR package that states water fording is 33.6”. If you look at the data from the press release on the 20A it says water fording 34.5 (+0.9”). So if the +0.9” is over the normal XR package, then the +0.5” ground clearance is also most likely a delta to standard XR package.

 

[Dral97]

Happy Friday folks. A little light hearted car humor as we wait. I’m not sure which is worse, the Jeep folks fainting about their grills getting smaller or BMW folks fainting about their grills getting larger.