Rubicon 20th Anniversary Edition Discussion

[Dral97]

Heard back from the dealer... It seems despite having a Printed Order Confirmation, Jeep is not going to honor the deal and I will not be getting a 20a?

Is that right @JeepCares ? What's the address for legal service?

Edit: My order is timestamped 1:06 eastern

Did you put a deposit down? Granted deposits aren’t necessarily binding, but if you did, it seems they should have a bit more of an obligation to sell to you.

 

[rubicon20032003]

Wife got are vin on Tuesday and email from jeeo wave and a with signed agreement for msrp.We ordered after opening day .Day the reopened them

 

[guruman]

Did you put a deposit down? Granted deposits aren’t necessarily binding, but if you did, it seems they should have a bit more of an obligation to sell to you.

Yes. The dealer was trying real hard to refund it today. Suspicious.

 

[Dral97]

Yes. The dealer was trying real hard to refund it today. Suspicious.

Yeah, that sounds suspicious to me too. Hope it works out ok. I don’t like the way this whole process works in general. We basically have to rely on honesty of dealers, and, well…

 

[byhumba]

Eh. Unlikely. "Down the road" is already sort of here for the 2013 10A edition... They are not holding their value any better than comparably-equipped non-10A 2013 Rubicons with similar mileage. There is no certainty that a standard 20A 392 would hold its value any better than a standard 2023 392. The 20A Level II 392? With only 75 of them being made in the 392 variant, and a significant difference from the standard 392, it is more of a possibility that they become a collectible than the non-Level II 20A 392.

The Wrangler that has best held its value is the LJ Rubicon Sahara, and there were only 1,000 units made. Every other special edition Wrangler before and after the Rubihara has not held its value as much as people thought they would at the time "down the road."

Even the Red Rock Edition JK. It was limited to 100 total units, but it was not different enough from the 2013 10A Rubicon, 2014 Rubicon X, or the 2015 Rubicon Hard Rock before it, or the 2016-18 Rubicon Recon after it. This is the same problem the 10A Edition has.

The other problem the 10A and Red Rock Editions had, beyond being more or less indistinguishable from the Rubicon X, Hard Rock, and Recon (other than stickers / emblems) was that the red leather in the 10A puts a lot of people off. Some like it, many don't. The Red Rock only came in red. Some like red jeeps, many don't.

A 20A Level II 392's only competition would be other 392s sent to AEV for the JL370 package (which is to say, not many), and the most direct competition would be 2023 392XRs sent to AEV for the JL370 package (which is to say, even fewer). Some may seek out the 20A in particular. Others may prefer an AEV JL370 due to the interior not having red leather, red seatbelts, or a red leather dash.

I, for one, am happy that my 2023 ("20A") 392XR that was sent to AEV and had the JL370 conversion (aka more complete "Level II package") has the standard grille, black leather interior, black seatbelts, and does not have a red leather dash. Could you change these things? Sure, but then their value as a collectible is negated because the most valuable collectible vehicles are those that are unmolested.

I agree with you. It is very hard to predict what will be considered collectible and what won't.

I have a 2003 Wrangler Rubicon Tomb Raider (#1,095 out of possibly 1,095). Is it now collectible with 28,XXX miles, 5 speed manual trans, and original hard top? Who knows. It was $29,XXX MSRP (Considered top of the line 20 years ago). I have done a few upgrades, but still have all the take offs to return it to stock form. I do not keep it as a garage queen, but I also do not abuse it. I enjoy it a lot and definitely worth every penny I paid for it.

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[YukonCornelius]

Just… can’t… do…. that… renegade…. grille.

 

[KungFu392]

Just… can’t… do…. that… renegade…. grille.

It's an easy swap out... just leave it in the rafters (that's where I store my light junk) and save it for the "collectability" and then put a nice take off from someone with bad taste who decided to install an angry grill.

 

[Dral97]

Yep, if I end up with one, I’ll likely get a black satin stock to replace it with. I would have ordered mine with that up front, but I bypassed any of the Mopar options that we can just buy aftermarket. Who knows what’s going to be a constraint when.

 

[MDawg]

So weird that people can order on Monday and have a VIN while my Friday VON is still not showing up on the Jeep Tracker. I know I am #2 at one of the largest volume Jeep dealerships in the country. I would think that would help for my order to go through?

 

[Dral97]

Still no VIN for me this AM. I agree that it's odd that none of us who ordered on Friday have a VIN yet, but a person or two posted that they have VINs already when they ordered after Friday.

As far as I know, I may be the only one who ordered from my dealer, or at least I'm almost positive I got the first spot.

 

[KungFu392]

Still no VIN for me this AM. I agree that it's odd that none of us who ordered on Friday have a VIN yet, but a person or two posted that they have VINs already when they ordered after Friday.

As far as I know, I may be the only one who ordered from my dealer, or at least I'm almost positive I got the first spot.

Same here (on all counts). My dealer told me they only had one allocation and I got it (probably just because I was the first or only one to ask for it - I'm not particularly special).

 

[dblplay1212]

lol this whole thing is dumb. They have no idea.

Yesterday:

I learned a little more today. Apparently the AEV price will be added to the vehicle price in the system and I'll be able to see that once they process it. That is supposed to happen before it moves into D status so I'll continue checking it frequently so I can let you know as soon as it does.


Today:

Good morning Jason, no news yet. You're still in the system while the last one we tried to sneak in has been removed so I'm more aggravated than worried.

 

[Dral97]

One of the things about this order process, is I think those of us who ordered from our small town dealers may have had a bit of a pricing benefit (maybe).

I talked to Koons last week and they told me they had two allocations. Regular 20A was 10k ADM and AEV LII was 25k ADM. They sell so many jeeps there and a ton of people are there getting vehicles at any given time. I got my 23 XR from them. Great buying experience, but there were probably at least 200 people in that place the whole time I was there. Since they are suburban and see that much business, no problem for them to find someone who wants one of those jeeps bad enough and will pay that ADM. I guess more power to them.

One of my local dealers said they don't do ADMs. I ordered with them and again, in rural places like where I live, people aren't dropping 80 or 120k on vehicles every other day. So the smaller dealers could maybe be more likely to sell at MSRP because at least it gets one of their allocations used.

I think it would have been different if the larger volume dealers got a bunch more allocations, but it seems everyone got 1 or 2. So it leveled the playing field a bit. I could just be making all this up based on my personal experience, but it's interesting to consider.

 

[Dral97]

lol this whole thing is dumb. They have no idea.

Yesterday:

I learned a little more today. Apparently the AEV price will be added to the vehicle price in the system and I'll be able to see that once they process it. That is supposed to happen before it moves into D status so I'll continue checking it frequently so I can let you know as soon as it does.


Today:

Good morning Jason, no news yet. You're still in the system while the last one we tried to sneak in has been removed so I'm more aggravated than worried.

Did your dealer go through any AEV options with you/put in an order with the AEV portal? A dealer on FB posted a video on Saturday. He was going through the process as he understood it. Part of it involved an AEV portal opening up to the dealer.

 

[MDawg]

lol this whole thing is dumb. They have no idea.

Yesterday:

I learned a little more today. Apparently the AEV price will be added to the vehicle price in the system and I'll be able to see that once they process it. That is supposed to happen before it moves into D status so I'll continue checking it frequently so I can let you know as soon as it does.


Today:

Good morning Jason, no news yet. You're still in the system while the last one we tried to sneak in has been removed so I'm more aggravated than worried.

Can you clarify this for me. Did they try to "sneak" a normal 20A 392 order, or an AEV one? I'm afraid to reach back out to my sales rep on my order.

 

[KungFu392]

One of the things about this order process, is I think those of us who ordered from our small town dealers may have had a bit of a pricing benefit (maybe).

I talked to Koons last week and they told me they had two allocations. Regular 20A was 10k ADM and AEV LII was 25k ADM. They sell so many jeeps there and a ton of people are there getting vehicles at any given time. I got my 23 XR from them. Great buying experience, but there were probably at least 200 people in that place the whole time I was there. Since they are suburban and see that much business, no problem for them to find someone who wants one of those jeeps bad enough and will pay that ADM. I guess more power to them.

One of my local dealers said they don't do ADMs. I ordered with them and again, in rural places like where I live, people aren't dropping 80 or 120k on vehicles every other day. So the smaller dealers could maybe be more likely to sell at MSRP because at least it gets one of their allocations used.

I think it would have been different if the larger volume dealers got a bunch more allocations, but it seems everyone got 1 or 2. So it leveled the playing field a bit. I could just be making all this up based on my personal experience, but it's interesting to consider.

This makes sense, but my dealer is by no means "rural." We're suburban and in one nicest suburban areas in our metro (I don't say that to brag). BUT, I do think you're right that there not a super high volume dealer, so that may have helped. They have two locations in the metro area but this owner bought the dealerships only a few years ago. They sold me my '22 392XR at MSRP and I know they sold at least another handful of them (because I've seen them). There was never really one just sitting on the lot, so I suspect they were all ordered like mine. I also don't think people are spending that much on STELLANTIS vehicles in our area that often, but they have sold a handful (or more) of Grand Wagoneers, so there are some high rollers who still like Stella's products. The Caddy dealer down the road does tons of business here and we have MB, BMW, Acura, Lexus, Volvo, VW, etc. all on the same short stretch of road, so I think the CDJR dealer gets overlooked a lot unless someone happens to be looking specifically for one of those brands.

 

[MDawg]

My sales rep believes they are going through these orders manually before issuing VINs due to the limited nature of the allocations.

 

[Dral97]

That would be weird (I'm not claiming it's incorrect) if we are to believe that the person who ordered on Monday already has a VIN. The 'flyers'/announcements Stella sent to the dealers for both the 20A package and the AEV level II say 'first come, first serve' on them (I know the AEV said that and I'm pretty sure the 20A said that). I don't have them here at work, but I have copies of them at home that my dealer printed off and gave to me. That would be a little bit odd that a Monday order would get approved before the bunch of us here on the forum that got our orders in within the first hour of the banks opening up last Friday.

Again though, we're all just shooting out conjecture here and who knows if that person or two posting about having VINs is/are being truthful. I mean, they posted on the internets so it has to be true, but ya know..

 

[guruman]

That would be weird (I'm not claiming it's incorrect) if we are to believe that the person who ordered on Monday already has a VIN. The 'flyers'/announcements Stella sent to the dealers for both the 20A package and the AEV level II say 'first come, first serve' on them (I know the AEV said that and I'm pretty sure the 20A said that). I don't have them here at work, but I have copies of them at home that my dealer printed off and gave to me. That would be a little bit odd that a Monday order would get approved before the bunch of us here on the forum that got our orders in within the first hour of the banks opening up last Friday.

Again though, we're all just shooting out conjecture here and who knows if that person or two posting about having VINs is/are being truthful. I mean, they posted on the internets so it has to be true, but ya know..

Yeah. People lie, or pass on false information. I would love to have confirmation of someone getting a VIN with an initial POC with a timestamp later than mine. It seems anecdotally that they exist, and I'm pretty cheesed if that's the case.

 

[rubicon20032003]

That would be weird (I'm not claiming it's incorrect) if we are to believe that the person who ordered on Monday already has a VIN. The 'flyers'/announcements Stella sent to the dealers for both the 20A package and the AEV level II say 'first come, first serve' on them (I know the AEV said that and I'm pretty sure the 20A said that). I don't have them here at work, but I have copies of them at home that my dealer printed off and gave to me. That would be a little bit odd that a Monday order would get approved before the bunch of us here on the forum that got our orders in within the first hour of the banks opening up last Friday.

Again though, we're all just shooting out conjecture here and who knows if that person or two posting about having VINs is/are being truthful. I mean, they posted on the internets so it has to be true, but ya know..

Like I said I know of some orders that got vins and they weren’t Friday orders .Half the dealers didn’t do paperwork right or follow thru with it..Intell they were told to do it .That’s probably why Monday orders go slots of Friday orders .And some of those people will lose there order .Which sucks..And you got to remember orders go to certain people then others..Like someone in corporate wants one .They’ll get it over anyone anyday. .Think the aev package just plain messed stuff up .They should have just had option added on to order like any other option.Then that paperwork shit.And did you get a email from Jeep wave confirming your order?