Kill Switch

[SunsetHill]

Magnuson moss is for warranty and we have already had voided warranty’s reversed because of incompetent dealers, last one was a Hyundai.

That is a powerful statement, thank you. I'm bookmarking it!

 

[SunsetHill]

That would be me. Send me a message and ask any and all questions.

Thank you. I will. May not be right away.

 

[Air’d outSRT]

Funny how nobody seems to care how a "Made in Russia" product got through an embargo legally...

If you had no issues, means that nobody even tried to steal it, so IGLA or no IGLA it didn't matter.

I wonder why we never hear about people whose car was broken in but can prove that it wasn't actually stolen BECAUSE of IGLA.

The only people vouching for IGLA are: installers and the TRX forum IGLA mafia, as well as people that have it installed but never gotten broken in.

Ravelco has tons of testimonials on their web site. Does anyone even know what IGLA's website is???

iglausa.com
Easier to ask for information than assume. “Ghost is well known and respected” ghost and ghost II are IGLA and name changed for the UK market.

 

[Rscx4]

I have this thread “watched” because the theft issue is a valid concern for me, as well as I’m sure every other member on here. I want valid information, suggestions, pros and cons of various methods, and most importantly seriousness as we find the best option for each‘s own situation. Could we put an end to the endless squabbling within this thread and stay focused on the intent of this thread. PM each other to battle your patriotism credentials, but not here please.

So much for enjoying that cup of coffee.

 

[SunsetHill]

iglausa.com
Easier to ask for information than assume. “Ghost is well known and respected” ghost and ghost II are IGLA and name changed for the UK market.

Well, whaddya know! Dang, that iglausa URL did not show up in my prior DuckDuckGo searches. Glad to have it, good reading.

I infer, then, that the Ghost II is identical in function to the IGLA in all ways? IGLA comes in several models I've learned thus far. Among them is IGLA 200, IGLA 231, and IGLA 331 so I wonder which two models the Ghost and Ghost II represent. As far as I've seen, both Ghost II and IGLA do not reference model numbers in their text so I'd have to inquire just which model's functionality I am getting. The iglausa webpage for IGLA ANTI-THEFT does not reference model numbers while saying this:

Prices vary depending on your vehicle. An installer makes a choice of the right product based on your vehicle.

Hmm... does the "right product" mean a selection between 200, 231, or 331? Or between their four listed Products, IGLA Anti-Theft, Keyless Block, Kvant Immobilizer, or Compass GPS? They don't say. Only they know what they mean.

Or perhaps, the installer is unaware of their expectation and only installs which of the above four I the customer approach him with?

I'll be finding out, of course.

In any case, I already have a email out to the Ghost II folks of Canada asking for installers in my Washington State area. Interesting to find out if they provide different references than the sole local reference given me by Author-Alarm (IGLA).

May I just gently comment as an aside, that often it appears that companies, not just tech companies like here, are so naturally inured in their product that they seemed to have lost a certain ability to explain their product to uneducated customers like me who visit their site and take a fresh read of what is presented. To see themselves with fresh eyes. I mean, I'm finding all sorts of "holes" in what gets stated on webpages. Sometimes I wonder, is it just me? Am I just a cerebral over-thinking kook up against these experts or why does there have to be so much sleuthing on my part just to get a grasp on the inadvertently conflicting or incomplete things that they may say? To give you an example of no sleuthing required, and I'm not trying to start a flame war here about this particular product but I feel the need to define what I mean, here is what I think is an exhaustive FAQ that impresses me, start clicking on it and you will see the layers of depth:

General Car Owner FAQs | RecovR Help Center

Articles for Car Owners

help.recovr.biz

By the time I was done with all that, I had nothing to ask. Maybe in life I am supposed to fake an understanding, buy the product, and then complain about what I learned after the purchase that I could have inquired about before the purchase. I don't like to be one of the millions of people who seem to let it be that way. If I don't understand, I don't fake otherwise and cannot be bullied into surrendering to pretense. If I find a sales rep on my wavelength, s/he is like gold to me. Like gold, Jerry! Like gold!

What happens in the real world is a forum thread where I register to show up with my Usual Twenty Questions ™ to accidentally open old wounds between members. I didn't mean for that to happen, gentlemen.

But, hey, on the bright side, look at what we've learned in the last few pages for the friction and the air cleared (I now duck all incoming bricks).

/aside

 

[Air’d outSRT]

Well, whaddya know! Dang, that iglausa URL did not show up in my prior DuckDuckGo searches. Glad to have it, good reading.

I infer, then, that the Ghost II is identical in function to the IGLA in all ways? IGLA comes in several models I've learned thus far. Among them is IGLA 200, IGLA 231, and IGLA 331 so I wonder which two models the Ghost and Ghost II represent. As far as I've seen, both Ghost II and IGLA do not reference model numbers in their text so I'd have to inquire just which model's functionality I am getting. The iglausa webpage for IGLA ANTI-THEFT does not reference model numbers while saying this:

Prices vary depending on your vehicle. An installer makes a choice of the right product based on your vehicle.

Hmm... does the "right product" mean a selection between 200, 231, or 331? Or between their four listed Products, IGLA Anti-Theft, Keyless Block, Kvant Immobilizer, or Compass GPS? They don't say. Only they know what they mean.

Or perhaps, the installer is unaware of their expectation and only installs which of the above four I the customer approach him with?

I'll be finding out, of course.

In any case, I already have a email out to the Ghost II folks of Canada asking for installers in my Washington State area. Interesting to find out if they provide different references than the sole local reference given me by Author-Alarm (IGLA).

May I just gently comment as an aside, that often it appears that companies, not just tech companies like here, are so naturally inured in their product that they seemed to have lost a certain ability to explain their product to uneducated customers like me who visit their site and take a fresh read of what is presented. To see themselves with fresh eyes. I mean, I'm finding all sorts of "holes" in what gets stated on webpages. Sometimes I wonder, is it just me? Am I just a cerebral over-thinking kook up against these experts or why does there have to be so much sleuthing on my part just to get a grasp on the inadvertently conflicting or incomplete things that they may say? To give you an example of no sleuthing required, and I'm not trying to start a flame war here about this particular product but I feel the need to define what I mean, here is what I think is an exhaustive FAQ that impresses me, start clicking on it and you will see the layers of depth:

General Car Owner FAQs | RecovR Help Center

Articles for Car Owners

help.recovr.biz

By the time I was done with all that, I had nothing to ask. Maybe in life I am supposed to fake an understanding, buy the product, and then complain about what I learned after the purchase that I could have inquired about before the purchase. I don't like to be one of the millions of people who seem to let it be that way. If I don't understand, I don't fake otherwise and cannot be bullied into surrendering to pretense. If I find a sales rep on my wavelength, s/he is like gold to me. Like gold, Jerry! Like gold!

What happens in the real world is a forum thread where I register to show up with my Usual Twenty Questions ™ to accidentally open old wounds between members. I didn't mean for that to happen, gentlemen.

But, hey, on the bright side, look at what we've learned in the last few pages for the friction and the air cleared (I now duck all incoming bricks).

/aside

Ghost is an IGLA 231, older chip, single set of cans, Ghost II is an IGLA base, newer chipsets, 2 cans and a lin and then the IGLA fob, almost the same as what we use in the US, IGLA Alarm which is the newest one.

 

[SunsetHill]

Check this out, guys. I asked @Air'd outSRT via pm if IGLA is impervious to the so-called "CAN bus injections", the new-to-us theft method making the rounds where the CAN bus ECU is accessed from outside the vehicle, behind a headlight. No need to clone a fob. No need to steal the fob's signal. The scary next way to steal your car while your fob sits inside its Faraday cage.

CAN = Controller Area Network
ECU = Electronic Control Unit

He replied that this attack and all other attacks have zero effect on it. It will let them open the door on some makes and models but vehicle will not start. But, seeing is believing, and he gave me a YT video link to share.

First, again here is a link that explains the Can bus injection attack:

CAN Injection: keyless car theft

This is a detective story about how a car was stolen - and how it uncovered an epidemic of high-tech car theft. It begins with a tweet. In April 2022, my friend Ian Tabor tweeted that vandals had been at his car, pulling apart the headlight and unplugging the cables.

kentindell.github.io

and here is the video, posted only a year ago by Author-Alarm, the maker of IGLA, that shows IGLA effective against the Can bus injection:

How cool is that?

 

[Air’d outSRT]

Check this out, guys. I asked @Air'd outSRT via pm if IGLA is impervious to the so-called "CAN bus injections", the new-to-us theft method making the rounds where the CAN bus ECU is accessed from outside the vehicle, behind a headlight. No need to clone a fob. No need to steal the fob's signal. The scary next way to steal your car while your fob sits inside its Faraday cage.

CAN = Controller Area Network
ECU = Electronic Control Unit

He replied that this attack and all other attacks have zero effect on it. It will let them open the door on some makes and models but vehicle will not start. But, seeing is believing, and he gave me a YT video link to share.

First, again here is a link that explains the Can bus injection attack:

CAN Injection: keyless car theft

This is a detective story about how a car was stolen - and how it uncovered an epidemic of high-tech car theft. It begins with a tweet. In April 2022, my friend Ian Tabor tweeted that vandals had been at his car, pulling apart the headlight and unplugging the cables.

kentindell.github.io

and here is the video, posted only a year ago by Author-Alarm, the maker of IGLA, that shows IGLA effective against the Can bus injection:

How cool is that?

Depending on the make and model it can do other stuff too. Lexus/toyota and some other japanese vehicles have ventilation mode to vent the windows and roll them up, power fold mirrors, alarm functions with proximity, blocks the ability to delete/make fobs on all mopars that it’s compatible with ect. I was asked by a moderator to start an IGLA thread explaining it and what it does and doesn’t do since there seems to be disinformation now being spread by a former member of another forum.
Thanks
Josh

 

[@WhiteBronze392]

I’ve decided my plan. I’ll just go with Ravelco, IGLA, Ghost, Ghost II, Tazer, Compustar and mobilistics along with a club and Air Tag! It may take 30 minutes to get it started to go anywhere but all my bases will be covered but I’m sure it will just get towed

 

[SunsetHill]

LoJack is useless don’t waste your time or money. In the 90s almost every police dept had the transponder scanner system in their cars, now that number is ALOT less.

Your comment was worth investigating.

I visited my local police precinct today and spoke to the officer on duty. He said the police cars in Seattle are not equipped with LoJack. Maybe one or two older police cars are still out there but they are equipped for the older version of LoJack.

He also reminded me that, in Seattle, police can no longer chase vehicles so the only time they can act is when the stolen vehicle stops moving and is stationary. So, if you have a GPS tracker, you can tell the police where your stationary car is.

Or, go get it yourself, I suppose, because if it is stationary my hunch would be that the thief is not in the vicinity for the police to arrest.

 

[TheBeast23]

Your comment was worth investigating.

I visited my local police precinct today and spoke to the officer on duty. He said the police cars in Seattle are not equipped with LoJack. Maybe one or two older police cars are still out there but they are equipped for the older version of LoJack.

He also reminded me that, in Seattle, police can no longer chase vehicles so the only time they can act is when the stolen vehicle stops moving and is stationary. So, if you have a GPS tracker, you can tell the police where your stationary car is.

Or, go get it yourself, I suppose, because if it is stationary my hunch would be that the thief is not in the vicinity for the police to arrest.

A world gone mad in my book….

 

[Exec_392]

Your comment was worth investigating.

I visited my local police precinct today and spoke to the officer on duty. He said the police cars in Seattle are not equipped with LoJack. Maybe one or two older police cars are still out there but they are equipped for the older version of LoJack.

He also reminded me that, in Seattle, police can no longer chase vehicles so the only time they can act is when the stolen vehicle stops moving and is stationary. So, if you have a GPS tracker, you can tell the police where your stationary car is.

Or, go get it yourself, I suppose, because if it is stationary my hunch would be that the thief is not in the vicinity for the police to arrest.

yep. Thats a big one also specifically this phrase you mentioned about chasing. MOST cities and suburbs, especially more liberal areas (just facts sorry) have a no pursuit policy, almost moronically so the policy is you call the car out over the radio, as soon as he takes off your ordered to stand down, so you call it out over the county or state networks in hopes they’ll get to the suspect when they hit open highway. It’s a JOKE.

Years back, there was no such thing. Often times you’d call out lesser speeds or lower traffic because you wanted to get them. You knew it was someone’s hard work being stolen. That’s what we used to do. Criminals were punished. There’s plenty of ways to be safe in a pursuit, but these days the priority is not accountability, it’s a number of other things under the guise of safety.

100% go get it yourself. A ex military buddy lives in Austin, had his track hawk stolen (no security) from his driveway, and had a hidden gps receiver under the floor mats. The car was driven 40 miles away. He called Austin PD, they didn’t even show up to take a report until the next day when he recovered it. A few hours later he called and told them he located the car and was going to go get it. Brought his friend, both armed, and stole it back. When Austin PD showed up the next day to take the report and note where the car was being stored (where the suspects took it) the cop told my buddy to “be careful” and that he “should have just left it”

This is the joke that it’s become.

police can no longer chase vehicles so the only time they can act is when the stolen vehicle stops moving and is stationary

 

[SunsetHill]

There are testimonials all over.

Ah, thanks. From your attachment, I see the thieves tried a CAN bus injection from behind the headlight but failed. Good to know. Good to know.

The IGLA peddling is back, despite the Twitter style adios. Another broken promise.

Please put it on me. This thread was dormant for 11 days until I posted yesterday. Put it on me. I want to understand as much as I can about IGLA as I started out pretty damn ignorant about all of this stuff so I welcome continued input on it from him and anybody else. In contrast, I was under the impression that LoJack was a good thing until @Exec_392 spoke up about it and I got off of my butt and went to the police station after all attempts to reach the City of Seattle by phone had failed. So glad he spoke up. So glad I paused to listen to what he said. The LoJack folks and the LoJack seller would not have bothered to inform me how useless LoJack is where I live, I do not believe. The LoJack website's coverage map shades all 50 states, no gaps or holes. Now I know that this is not true at all.

@Air'd outSRT and I have exchanged good info here and he's put up with my tenacity and possible repetition of questions as a lot is coming at me. But I'm hanging on, baby. I delve as best I can and my friends know this about me so, once I do something, they know I have not been superficial about my purchase.

At least for my sake, feel free to bring me all ya got about IGLA and/or dronemovile and/or Compustar.

Thank you.

 

[Casper]

Most vendors will praise their own products. The shady ones will be opaque and worse, piss on all the other competitors.

BTW, there is an old generation (radio ping) LoJack, the one that Seattle police was referencing, and a new(er) one, GPS+cellular that is more like a Compustar Drone with additional features.

Also, there are lots of CAN buses in a car. Trying to bypass anything via the headlight wires will win that thief a DEFCON standing ovation.

 

[SunsetHill]

Most vendors will praise their own products. The shady ones will be opaque and worse, piss on all the other competitors.

BTW, there is an old generation (radio ping) LoJack, the one that Seattle police was referencing, and a new(er) one, GPS+cellular that is more like a Compustar Drone with additional features.

Also, there are lots of CAN buses in a car. Trying to bypass anything via the headlight wires will win that thief a DEFCON standing ovation.

Yes, thank you. The precinct desk officer did mention about a newer LoJack and he made it sound like it's not yet available (to anyone?) but he had no information if Seattle was going to adopt it. I did get from him the contact info for the Crime Prevention Coordinator (which is a different person that their website indicates, no surprise given my past experience using the seattle.gov site) so I can ask the person next week what they might know about that.

Yeah, I read an article about CAN bus access points but seem to only hear about the headlight attacks which I infer are the easiest place to access.

 

[Ted392]

I started this thread about KILL SWITCHES. Not alarm systems. Please start your own threads and $!&># there. I believe most people know the capability difference between kill switches and alarm systems and can choose wisely for their needs.

Mods, it would be nice if you cleaned up this thread or even lock it.

 

[Air’d outSRT]

I started this thread about KILL SWITCHES. Not alarm systems. Please start your own threads and $!&># there. I believe most people know the capability difference between kill switches and alarm systems and can choose wisely for their needs.

Mods, it would be nice if you cleaned up this thread or even lock it.

IGLA is a kill switch not an alarm and isn’t found in 10 seconds like what you posted. I thought the idea was to stop a theft not give it to them. A new thread was made because a mod asked me to but some man child ruined that here too.

 

[SunsetHill]

IGLA is a kill switch not an alarm

He's got ya there, @Ted392 !

But, I withdraw my recent solicitation for info to include dronemobile and/or Compustar if that pleases you. It's so very easy to talk about all of this stuff that I just can't see anyone getting upset at the sharing of information. Too, I can't understand why the thread he was asked by a mod to create got locked except it seems someone is always trying to run him out of town. Is that not more toxic than the sharing of information on a forum? I just don't understand the undercurrent going on. But, maybe it's just unrelated instances of inhospitality.

Mods, if ruffled feathers are to remain may I respectfully suggest extracting our IGLA posts from here and put them in that other thread after unlocking it, and let us talk there in peace by quietly booting out any interlopers there in lieu of locking it again?

I am happy to post anywhere on this site where I can talk about this stuff unmolested! For now, this thread is the best I can find.

 

[Exec_392]

To justify a system that "protected" this vehicle is pathetic.

If anyone had to do this to my Jeep, they can just keep it.

View attachment 30532

Re LoJack, which I'm ambivalent to, why would the Police need to have anything in their car for the newer system?!? It's all GPS/Cellular based.

Re: LoJack. LoJack started out as a transponder based recovery system that worked EXTREMELY well back in the 90s. This system had a matching component in most police depts years back. After a car was stolen I could drive my crown Vic around and literally like a radar, pin point and have ability to remotely disable the car avoiding a pursuit. I have actually recovered LoJack equipped cars.

In the late 2000s, depts started dropping their equipment, cruisers changed their config, and car theft was at all time lows as the now “newer tech” that is part of how our cars are now stolen, was still ahead of thieves. Now they are just a shitty company selling gps trackers like everyone else on a subscription primarily at certain dealers. Most dealers dropped them from sellable security after they pivoted in favor of things like recovr, zazz gps and others like ikon. They are utilizing the old good name, to peddle shit.

 

[SunsetHill]

Re LoJack, which I'm ambivalent to, why would the Police need to have anything in their car for the newer system?!? It's all GPS/Cellular based.

Ya got me. I don't know how any of it actually fits together. I can ask our Crime Prevention Coordinator about that when I call her this week. Thanks.