Apps tracking and reporting how you drive your Jeep 392?

[Excaliburitto]

It's my own willful ignorance, but I couldn't care less about this. The effort in this day and age to try and be "invisible" is too much effort and leads to paranoia imo. We're tracked in some capacity from using OnX, carrying your phone, getting online, owning a firearm, making a call, etc. It is what it is. Drive your Jeep like you stole it. If you own it, who gives af . Have fun my Jeepsters.

Also, the sensitivity of how they're measuring "hard acceleration" and "hard turning" seems to be quite high. When you drill into those specific trips, it'll show on the map where those "events" occurred. Majority of the time the "hard acceleration" and "hard steering" are recorded backing out of my driveway and turning around the cul de sac. I'm not backing out at 7k rpms and burning out at 6am lol.

As we everything in life, it's all about personal perspective.

For me it is not the tracking itself, that's bothersome, but the chicanery that Stellantis, like GM, used to trick me into agreeing to something unbeknownst to me.

The text of the actual Texas lawsuit is available here: https://www.texasattorneygeneral.go...eneral Motors Data Privacy Petition Filed.pdf

Again, this is OK for some, good for them, but not for others.

 

[Winston]

As we everything in life, it's all about personal perspective.

For me it is not the tracking itself, that's bothersome, but the chicanery that Stellantis, like GM, used to trick me into agreeing to something unbeknownst to me.

The text of the actual Texas lawsuit is available here: https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/sites/default/files/images/press/General Motors Data Privacy Petition Filed.pdf

Again, this is OK for some, good for them, but not for others.

Oh absolutely, I respect that. And for sure, if I took my Jeep in for something and they throw in my face "well SIR, on August 12th it showed you had 14 events of hard acceleration so warranty DENIED", I'd have a different opinion here on their tracking

 

[Excaliburitto]

I deleted all Jeep Apps from my phone and computer. I requested no sharing my information. There is nothing they offer me worth the constant LOOKING over my shoulder.

It is not the app that's the problem. That's only a reporting tool for you to ingest the data. The problem is the reporting done by the Jeep itself that's sending data to the mothership.

 

[Excaliburitto]

Oh absolutely, I respect that. And for sure, if I took my Jeep in for something and they throw in my face "well SIR, on August 12th it showed you had 14 events of hard acceleration so warranty DENIED", I'd have a different opinion here on their tracking

That's possible, but an increase of insurance premiums was a given with GM, thus I expect with Stellantis.

I disagree on the "Hard Acceleration/Cornering/Breaking" characterizations that pepper my Jeep app report. None were as such.

The Vehicle isn't aware of my non OEM tires, suspension, added weight, surroundings, etc, etc, that will affect all those Stellantis "grading" of my driving.

Those characteristics are often enforced and measured on commercial vehicles for risk assessment, including driver disciplining.

 

[Winston]

That's possible, but an increase of insurance premiums was a given with GM, thus I expect with Stellantis.

I disagree on the "Hard Acceleration/Cornering/Breaking" characterizations that pepper my Jeep app report. None were as such.

The Vehicle isn't aware of my non OEM tires, suspension, added weight, surroundings, etc, etc, that will affect all of those Stellantis "grades" of my driving.

Those characteristics are often enforced and measured on commercial vehicles for risk assessment, including driver disciplining.

I just got to that part in the lawsuit. Now that's wild that GM went that far. The added element there is I have several people drive my Jeep. How do they know it was me behind the wheel (rhetorical question?). For example, my brother in law picked me up from the airport a few weeks back. His recorded events are hilarious.

 

[SunsetHill]

Majority of the time the "hard acceleration" and "hard steering" are recorded backing out of my driveway and turning around the cul de sac.

Indeed. I noticed that the majority of the trips I make have only one instance of hard acceleration and only one instance of hard braking. Probably from getting in and out of my garage. LOL.

 

[Excaliburitto]

Indeed. I noticed that the majority of the trips I make have only one instance of hard acceleration and only one instance of hard braking. Probably from getting in and out of my garage. LOL.

Same here. Most have one hard acceleration and braking. Most of my driving is urban and short distance, but still I'm getting flagged by Stellantis constantly.

BTW, I agree with your other post on the opt-out vs calling the number, for now at least. We'll see how the GM lawsuit impacts, or doesn't, this.

 

[Overkill]

If they were to penalize for hard braking, I'd fight it as far as I could because I live rural and on several occasions have had to brake hard because of deer running in to the road. So it would be either that 'safe' driving or having to have damage repaired. Plus other people are not good drivers and cause hard braking when they do stupid stuff. LOL

My trips in the app pretty much all have hard turning and acceleration, but it shows them when pulling in to the parking spot I use at work. I think it is messed up and registering any turn larger than 90° as hard. I come in from the back of a parking spot around a telephone pole on the end so that my driver's door is where there are no cars parked on that side. Kind of in a fish hook pattern. I'm definitely not going fast in the parking lot, maybe a couple miles an hour. If I was flying, I'm sure I'd get a ticket since I park in the police department parking lot (not where I work, walk to my work from there. Hopefully it keeps someone from stealing the 392... J/k) .

 

[SunsetHill]

I don't visit the app regularly but I logged into it just now and looks like everything is still there, including a trip I took today that appears in the "All Trips" section. It may be too soon to know if my opt-out has been honored and I don't know if I would get some type of acknowledgement that they honored it, such as an email or such.

If I get an acknowledgement or find some app features have newly gone missing, I'll post here. Feel free to ask again at any time down the road. Ha, I made a funny.

I just noticed today that my Jeep app no longer shows me the map of my physical location of my Jeep. Nor does it still show me the options of starting/stopping my engine, locking/unlocking the doors, and honking my horn. Ok, those features must be part of the Connected Services thing that Jeep had previously emailed me to say had expired. Duh. But to be fair to myself, I have never been able to easily discern from all of their mumbo jumbo what features are associated with which of their many vague product labels that they use, and across three websites (jeep.com, connectjeep.com, and mopar.com. I mean really.) to know which features would expire and when, so I let that whatever-it-was expire in order to find out. I do not think this location feature expiration and remote access feature expiration has anything to do with my subsequent request to have them stop sharing my collected data.

I want that location-finder feature again and the remote access features less so. Boy, they gotcha.

So, I went online, subscribed to their Assistance package, paid annually to get 12 months for the proce of 11 months, and it instantly re-appeared on my app.

Still waiting on any acknowledgement of my privacy-data-sharing opt-out instruction.

 

[Excaliburitto]

I've also opt-ed out from all the forms I found, except for calling the phone numbers.

I'm still tracked non-stop via the "All Trips" activity, albeit it's very spotty: not all trips are actually captured. All the ones that are have "Pedal & Steering" Events, like 1 Hard Acceleration and 1 Hard Turning. Never more than "1" of each. Seems like some type of buggy reporting, but hard to tell since Stellantis is not disclosing what HARD means.

I also don't see the location, nor the remote unlock or start options, but I don't care since I don't use any of those features.

For tracking my Jeep I use other methods anyway. The one built in the Jeep I found very unreliable (slow or unavailable) anyway. But it seems that it works for you, and that you're happy with it, and since it's your Jeep, that's all that matters.

 

[Bobo57]

If a claim was denied because you used the launch control which is a feature of the vehicle, I think that would be absurd.

 

[Overkill]

I'm still tracked non-stop via the "All Trips" activity, albeit it's very spotty: not all trips are actually captured. All the ones that are have "Pedal & Steering" Events, like 1 Hard Acceleration and 1 Hard Turning. Never more than "1" of each. Seems like some type of buggy reporting, but hard to tell since Stellantis is not disclosing what HARD means.

Mine all have the same thing and normally they both show as being at the beginning or end of the trip. Really strange. I have had a couple that do show an event in the middle of a trip, but not very many.

 

[SunsetHill]

For tracking my Jeep I use other methods anyway. The one built in the Jeep I found very unreliable (slow or unavailable) anyway. But it seems that it works for you, and that you're happy with it, and since it's your Jeep, that's all that matters.

What got me posting today (and paranoid, too) was reading this new thread which I see you saw and posted in:

Stolen & Recovered 392

My 392 was stolen from my driveway about 6 weeks ago. First- its finally back in my driveway after being recovered and repairs made. But I wanted to share some lessons learned. Many of you have Sirius on your Jeep but not all of them are GPS enabled nor are people using the Jeep app. DO IT! I...

www.jeep392.com

 

[Excaliburitto]

I pulled the plug a couple of months ago and got disconnected from Jeep Connect.

I can confirm that I STILL get the Uconnect updates, and—surprise, surprise—I get ALL the real-time updates for gas prices, traffic, etc., that I was not getting before, since I let my trial expire on those services.

All my Jeep ownership data, extended warranty contract status, etc is still available at https://www.mopar.com/jeep/en-us/my-vehicle/dashboard.html. This is really the only change:

I can also confirm that my driving is not tracked anymore, since my Jeep is not connected to their service anymore. So all in all, mission accomplished as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Excaliburitto]

Oh, I don't use the Uconnect App Shop and never logged into it since Apple CarPlay provides all the apps I ever wanted or needed. I assume that by not logging in and not accepting their term I won't get Uconnect ads in the future, like Ford does.

 

[Jeepherz]

What got me posting today (and paranoid, too) was reading this new thread which I see you saw and posted in:

Stolen & Recovered 392

My 392 was stolen from my driveway about 6 weeks ago. First- its finally back in my driveway after being recovered and repairs made. But I wanted to share some lessons learned. Many of you have Sirius on your Jeep but not all of them are GPS enabled nor are people using the Jeep app. DO IT! I...

www.jeep392.com

That was me. And I was going to post...happy to let Jeep track me if it means getting my Jeep back when stolen. Until the definitive time comes when people are actually getting busted for speeding based on an app, or insurance starts to tap into it etc- I pay my cashola to the man. My private info just isn't all that exciting but I can understand why it would bother people.
That said- LoJack offers the same service and may not sell your data. I have both. Call a girl paranoid.

 

[Excaliburitto]

That was me. And I was going to post...happy to let Jeep track me if it means getting my Jeep back when stolen. Until the definitive time comes when people are actually getting busted for speeding based on an app, or insurance starts to tap into it etc- I pay my cashola to the man. My private info just isn't all that exciting but I can understand why it would bother people.
That said- LoJack offers the same service and may not sell your data. I have both. Call a girl paranoid.

Nothing would stop Jeep to be able to track my Jeep in case of an emergency. I didn't dismantle anything from the Jeep so that's a simple call to re-enable it. However In my experience their tracking really lacks and is useless, but if it worked in your case, that's good for you. I have a third party device that is doing that.

As far as "my info is not worth protecting", each to their own, that's a slippery slope and we're each free to have our own convictions.