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ParadigmDawg said:
I was in great shape up until age 59. Between 59 and 60, I aged 10 years. During that year, prostate issues, angry kidneys, diagnosed with diabetes and on meds and now both shoulders.

I was always a skinny kid and was 6' and 126lbs in high school. I discovered bodybuilding my senior year in high school and met a muscle head in the gym. He asked me about my diet and exercise program and I proudly told him about my chicken breasts,and vegetables and my unstructured lifting routine. He said "nope" and told me to eat 10 ham sandwiches and day, with as much cheese and mayo that they would hold. He also told me to chain myself to the squat rack, bench and barbell rows.

That year I gained 50lbs and most was muscle. I became very interested in nutrition after that and changed to an almost perfect diet pretty much since then. At my prime, I walked around at 216lbs and 8% body fat.

At age 57, I took a year to see how good of shape I could get in. I achieved 6% body fat at 185lbs.

At 59, I started losing a lot of muscle mass and now I have trouble maintaining weight. The very low carbs and diabetes medication is a lot to blame. I am at 165lbs now and I bet I could fit both arms in 1 sleeve of that blue shirt in the picture.
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Wow. I was never that lean, genetically I'm build to carry more fat, think lowest I ever got was mid teens %.

My thinnest at 6'5 was in high school where I was 197lbs. Basically skin and bones. Then college I basically ate a ton of pasta and chicken parts combined with weight lifting trifecta.

Hope your health improves.!! Touch wood other then a torn right shoulder labrum causing looseness/instability, I'm still feeling pretty good in the weight room.

Will fight the aging, kicking and screaming every step of the way if I'm able to lol
 
WHLN392 said:
Wow. I was never that lean, genetically I'm build to carry more fat, think lowest I ever got was mid teens %.

My thinnest at 6'5 was in high school where I was 197lbs. Basically skin and bones. Then college I basically ate a ton of pasta and chicken parts combined with weight lifting trifecta.

Hope your health improves.!! Touch wood other then a torn right shoulder labrum causing looseness/instability, I'm still feeling pretty good in the weight room.

Will fight the aging, kicking and screaming every step of the way if I'm able to lol
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Oh I am fighting. My left shoulder is my bad one but I tore up my right one and it needed surgery first. I originally thought that I would go ahead and do the other one during the same year since I've met all my out-of-pocket and deductibles. But after going through this one, I don't think I can mentally handle it.
 
Phil921 said:
A couple things...
1) +50 USPA/IPL Powerlifter here too (also with some shoulder issues :)) that hits the gym at least 4 days/week...that platform has a special calling for sure!
2) PSC full kit sitting at my shop waiting for install too... PSC #SK689R64JP1-6.75W-1.625
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When is your installation? Mine is March 24th
 
Phil921 said:
Gotta love the old school dudes. Yea, I stopped barbell OHP years ago and went full dumbell/kettlebell; definitely helps the shoulders IMO.

Yes, that is the PSC Kit SKU# for a 1-5/8" Tie Rod.

I think PSC has come a long way in terms of valving/etc. Because Steering (like virtually everything else) operates as a system with other components, proper shock tuning, springs, etc can help to eliminate some of the "roll" people experience with cylinder assist. There's a brief discussion on this in the below WFO build review video worth a watch where Ryan changes his shock settings for stability purposes.

Also, everyone's taste for how the steering feels is quite subjective. Some may never like the difference, which is certainly understandable. When I first drove a friends rig, it definitely took some getting used to on the highway.

Lastly, to me it comes down to how you are going to run your rig. If you are not hitting the rocks with tight turns with larger aired down tires, then its fair to question if you really even need it.

Cheers 🍻

Ryan's Jeep 392 on 1-tons

Correction/Edit - I hadn't watched that video in quite some time and the shock tuning was more to do with the Antirocks than the PSC I believe, but the same idea that everything works as a system still applies.
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My shop said the kit for the 392 is awesome now. He said previously, there was a delay/dead spot in the steering but they changed valving and type of fluid and it made a big difference.

Here is my kit and pricing. Screenshot_20250227_092456_Samsung Notes.webp
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Phil921 said:
Well, it's not defined at this point as I am (precursor); waiting for my axles to arrive :cool:... should be within the next few weeks for sure.
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Dang...I can't afford axles. Which did you end up going with?
 
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ParadigmDawg said:
I was in great shape up until age 59. Between 59 and 60, I aged 10 years. During that year, prostate issues, angry kidneys, diagnosed with diabetes and on meds and now both shoulders.

I was always a skinny kid and was 6' and 126lbs in high school. I discovered bodybuilding my senior year in high school and met a muscle head in the gym. He asked me about my diet and exercise program and I proudly told him about my chicken breasts,and vegetables and my unstructured lifting routine. He said "nope" and told me to eat 10 ham sandwiches and day, with as much cheese and mayo that they would hold. He also told me to chain myself to the squat rack, bench and barbell rows.

That year I gained 50lbs and most was muscle. I became very interested in nutrition after that and changed to an almost perfect diet pretty much since then. At my prime, I walked around at 216lbs and 8% body fat.

At age 57, I took a year to see how good of shape I could get in. I achieved 6% body fat at 185lbs.

At 59, I started losing a lot of muscle mass and now I have trouble maintaining weight. The very low carbs and diabetes medication is a lot to blame. I am at 165lbs now and I bet I could fit both arms in 1 sleeve of that blue shirt in the picture.
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t my peak I was 6'5" 272 lbs. , now down to 225. I'm still lifting at age 63 5 to 6 times a week , much lighter weights. My shoulders bother me the most , try to do very little overhead pressing now. Wish everyone best of health. Stay active !
 
Brutus 392 said:
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t my peak I was 6'5" 272 lbs. , now down to 225. I'm still lifting at age 63 5 to 6 times a week , much lighter weights. My shoulders bother me the most , try to do very little overhead pressing now. Wish everyone best of health. Stay active !
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I feel certain that I weaked my affected shoulder by overcompensating for my bad shoulder with it for so long. My legs and knees have been great but naturally a weak spot for me so now getting scrawny.
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I’ve had my PSC in for almost two years and it has been great. IIRC, the kit was around $3,500 + installation + taxes.

Steering does get a bit softer, compared to my wife’s 392, and I had to go back to running a sway bar when I moved to 40’s… but it handles great for a monster build 😈

Oh, and I can run lockers AND steer at the same time (as Jeepsus intended) ++ nothing overheats ++ it is easy to forget that your lockers are even on 🥳
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prodriquez said:
I’ve had my PSC in for almost two years and it has been great. IIRC, the kit was around $3,500 + installation + taxes.

Steering does get a bit softer, compared to my wife’s 392, and I had to go back to running a sway bar when I moved to 40’s… but it handles great for a monster build 😈

Oh, and I can run lockers AND steer at the same time (as Jeepsus intended) ++ nothing overheats ++ it is easy to forget that your lockers are even on 🥳
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When you say the steering gets softer compared to your wife's 392 do you mean less feel or lighter to turn?
 
WHLN392 said:
When you say the steering gets softer compared to your wife's 392 do you mean less feel or lighter to turn?
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Yes, on both points… but it’s not drastically different on the road. Off-road, however, it is a game changer.

For those that say it is “twitchy,” I’m guessing that it wasn’t setup correctly. Mine took several trips before I got everything dialed in and I consider it part of the process when you’re putting aftermarket parts onto aftermarket parts… on top of a 7” lift, 1-tons, 40’s, and want to keep your flex.
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prodriquez said:
Yes, on both points… but it’s not drastically different on the road. Off-road, however, it is a game changer.

For those that say it is “twitchy,” I’m guessing that it wasn’t setup correctly. Mine took several trips before I got everything dialed in and I consider it part of the process when you’re putting aftermarket parts onto aftermarket parts… on top of a 7” lift, 1-tons, 40’s, and want to keep your flex.
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prodriquez said:
Yes, on both points… but it’s not drastically different on the road. Off-road, however, it is a game changer.

For those that say it is “twitchy,” I’m guessing that it wasn’t setup correctly. Mine took several trips before I got everything dialed in and I consider it part of the process when you’re putting aftermarket parts onto aftermarket parts… on top of a 7” lift, 1-tons, 40’s, and want to keep your flex.
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Thanks, appreciate the feedback. I'm sticking to 38s as 40s bring a whole host of additional costs as ypu have documented here before.

So hoping the PSC non hydro assist Advebture kit will suffice for the 38/13.50/17 Nittos I'll be putting on beadlocks. But if it's not, it will be relatively easy at that point to add their hydro assist kit.
 
ParadigmDawg said:
Rotator Cuff repair was completed 5 weeks ago. 1st PT treatment was yesterday and rehab is expected to take 6-12 months. I was released to do some mild, on road driving.

Changed my steering stabilizer from firm to easy and have really bad death wobble. Ran it to the Jeep shop and it's inside the steering box.

I decided to cut to the chase and PSC ordered. That should fix it... LOL
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Bummer
 

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