Are all 392's the same?

[Dral97]

The one thing that blows your position out of the water is the facts. The other is winter. Northern states get snow. Sometimes enough snow to be a problem for your average automobile. So people in northern climes tend to buy 4 wheel drives. More 4 wheel drives means more Jeeps on average.

That's what I thought. If I lived in the south, I'd have some rear wheel drive kick ass convertible coupe; and while I don't drive my 392 toy out in the winter, past wranglers absolutely have been my winter daily drivers.

 

[CAMEL2R]

I use OnX for 2 & 4 wheelin', great app.

 

[BL Beast]

Why wouldn't I believe that someone says he's spent years in the auto business? Why wouldn't I listen to what he has to say?

Other people post here indicating they have had many Jeeps over the years. Should I not assume they have any knowledge when they speak?

I guess I don't understand why a dealer apparently has been singled out here for harsh reactions. I want to hear from everybody.

My lousy two cents, that.

As in other forums, you will always have internet crusaders that will always jump in and try to discourage any posts other than their own. Being new here, I see this one gentleman often wastes band length with I washed my Jeep today. I took my top off today rather than discuss real content. I did speak with one of the sponsors here and he quickly informed me, that's why he doesn't dare post here. Internet crusaders. Unfortunately this site , like so many others, have a few that dominate and discourage anyone else from being here.

 

[BL Beast]

@guruman just let it go man, it’s not worth it. take a look at post #29 where BL Beast actually quotes himself then argues with himself, and he has confused you for me about my bees and honey quote more than once. Maybe, if we are lucky he will be on a different forum next week telling people he’s been to the moon, but in reality he was probably arrested for being naked in an alley in an old refrigerator box pretending to renter earth’s atmosphere while high on oxy and horse tranquilizers.

Never wrestle with a PIG................ The PIG likes it and you both get dirty.........................

 

[stumblinhorse]

This is a silly thread. It’s not the 70’s anymore. Factories have so many standards these days it is ridiculous to say there is much variation. There is ISO standards, Six Sigma, lean manufacturing etc. Without a doubt, the factory is literally 100s of times more consistent than a dealership. I won’t take my vehicle to a dealer, like ever. I don’t care for a recall or not. Because I guarantee that the factory did a better job on their worst day than a dealership does on their best day.

 

[BL Beast]

This is a silly thread. It’s not the 70’s anymore. Factories have so many standards these days it is ridiculous to say there is much variation. There is ISO standards, Six Sigma, lean manufacturing etc. Without a doubt, the factory is literally 100s of times more consistent than a dealership. I won’t take my vehicle to a dealer, like ever. I don’t care for a recall or not. Because I guarantee that the factory did a better job on their worst day than a dealership does on their best day.

Factories have so many standards these days............. That's why nothing breaks and there are never any recalls. BTW, if you are out in the world and run across another 392 line up and let us know how that works out for you. As we read here from the internet crusaders, all will run exactly the same. Just as all firearms shoot to point of impact! No need to actually try them is there?

 

[BL Beast]

I call BS.

You've set yourself up as the "authority" in an "appeal to authority" logical fallacy.

The fact that you "think" there are huge variances, simply does not make it true.

Yes, for sure there are both engineering and quality assurance tolerances, but these things are not carved out by hand. Modern manufacturing tracks part variance during manufacture and intake and even fastener torque for everything on the assembly line.

As for backing new vehicles of the trailer.... one of them was first to come off, and had more time to fully warm up. The other had not, making the engine cooler than the first one... BAM... differing performance. (this same trick is used by a lot of "performance enhancing" products to "prove" dyno gains.

Unless you've Dynoed a statistically significant number of identical builds, it's just you convincing yourself there's a huge gap.

I mean, I guess it's a good introductory post to a new automotive forum... it gets lots of attention and reactions but I wouldn't count it as the Gospel.

But... welcome to the group. Lots of awesome folks sharing tips, tricks, experiences, deals, and a love for Jeeps with huge V8s.

Yes.................. One built Tuesday one built Thursday! The one built Tuesday had the experience edge! What BS you reach for to just your rantings................... Remember all firearms shoot to point of aim. Cause you read it on the internet!
Internet GURU! ROTFLMAO!

 

[guruman]

Factories have so many standards these days............. That's why nothing breaks and there are never any recalls. BTW, if you are out in the world and run across another 392 line up and let us know how that works out for you. As we read here from the internet crusaders, all will run exactly the same. Just as all firearms shoot to point of impact! No need to actually try them is there?

Isn't this the same "arguing from the extremes/strawman" fallacy you employed before and got called out for?

Also, I noticed that a couple of times previously you mention either attending or purchasing Jeeps at auction to back up your theory that NEW Jeeps are more valuable in the south.

but..... Jeep don't usually sell NEW Jeeps at auction, do they?

 

[guruman]

Yes.................. One built Tuesday one built Thursday! The one built Tuesday had the experience edge! What BS you reach for to just your rantings................... Remember all firearms shoot to point of aim. Cause you read it on the internet!
Internet GURU! ROTFLMAO!

What experience edge?

Have you ever been on an automobile assembly line? This century?

Each station on the line has what seems like an enormous amount of time to install one part. That part has a barcode that gets scanned so that it can be traced. Each fastener bin has sensors to make sure all the fasteners get used. The tools used to tighten everything have specific torque values set, and each one gets recorded for QA. Any variance, and that vehicle gets flagged, as does the worker who screwed up.

The fact that you think your 392 is better than every other one, is more likely a factor of you test driving it on a cool(er) day, or it had a slash of 93 octane added instead of the dumb dealer lackeys slopping in some 89 like everything else on the lot.

Why is it that you keep bringing up firearms? Firearms are subject to tiny variance just like anything. It does not mean that there are huge manufacturing variances. You cannot get a single gun to fire every round exactly the same, just like you'll have a hard time getting the exact same times doing quarter mile runs.

Any actual facts to share this time? Data? Dyno runs? OR still just the old "trust me I'm a dealer/ internet expert schtick" again and again?

 

[guruman]

Never wrestle with a PIG................ The PIG likes it and you both get dirty.........................

You're kind of right.... but like some other areas you don't have much actual knowledge of the farm life do you?

Sometimes, on the farm, you feel like you have no choice but to wrestle the pig, because he needs put back in the pen.

So, here I am.

 

[guruman]

... I see this one gentleman often wastes band length with I washed my Jeep today. I took my top off today rather than discuss real content

Have you read all 1,000 plus of my posts? Because I've read all 20+ of yours. (and it's "bandwidth")

.... I did speak with one of the sponsors here and he quickly informed me, that's why he doesn't dare post here. Internet crusaders.

I'm going to have to call BS again.... Most of our vendors are pretty active. They have their own space to post whatever they want. And I think all of them are pretty well respected an I'd consider them trustworthy. Plus, I don't think the mods would allow any vendor bashing on here.

Is that just more made-up "secret" knowledge to bolster your position? I think maybe it is.

 

[AUSTX]

Speaking of Moderators...

What's the point of keeping this thread alive? Too much drama and too much BS and for what reason?! This post offers zero constructive information and seems only to have become a personal argument of last words. It's a waste of time.

 

[BL Beast]

Isn't this the same "arguing from the extremes/strawman" fallacy you employed before and got called out for?

Also, I noticed that a couple of times previously you mention either attending or purchasing Jeeps at auction to back up your theory that NEW Jeeps are more valuable in the south.

but..... Jeep don't usually sell NEW Jeeps at auction, do they?

Something you have no knowledge of , not being a dealer or having dealer auction access, is YES all new auto dealers sell brand new vehicles at auction! Yes, BRAND NEW 392's have been sold with MSO's never titled. Just as you aren't aware of dealer incentives that the buyers never know about. But who am I to question an internet GURU? When a vehicle is HOT it will often bring just as much at Dealer ONLY AUCTIONS as sitting on the lot with NO SALES commission to pay.............. I have sent brand new 4x4's north once the first snow flake fell. Of course I would risk losing dealer auction access but new LIMITED Editions have already been sent to auctions to TEST the water!

 

[BL Beast]

Back on the original topic here. Are all these Hemi Jeeps the same? Mine officially does a 13.29 quarter mile while bumping the speed limiter. I realize some may have no interest in how ell their Jeep runs, some do. I hear the gasps from owners that married their Jeeps rather than bought them to enjoy them but I will grow tired of this and buy either a new offering or something else. Until then? I will drive it like I stole it!

 

[BL Beast]

Back on the original topic here. Are all these Hemi Jeeps the same? Mine officially does a 13.29 quarter mile while bumping the speed limiter. I realize some may have no interest in how ell their Jeep runs, some do. I hear the gasps from owners that married their Jeeps rather than bought them to enjoy them but I will grow tired of this and buy either a new offering or something else. Until then? I will drive it like I stole it!

OBTW a little side story here. Caught a Mustang GT, automatic sleeping on the green light and toasted him in the quarter mile! He was pizzed and insists that Jeep didn't offer this from the factory. Claimed I built it! Although I was flatterred I can't take credit for the Hemi Wrangler. I'm convinced that if I raise the MPH limit I can get into the high 12's stock! I will also experiment with a TAZER to unlock and force 2 wheel only to see if that helps.

 

[hornetsnest2]

OBTW a little side story here. Caught a Mustang GT, automatic sleeping on the green light and toasted him in the quarter mile! He was pizzed and insists that Jeep didn't offer this from the factory. Claimed I built it! Although I was flatterred I can't take credit for the Hemi Wrangler. I'm convinced that if I raise the MPH limit I can get into the high 12's stock! I will also experiment with a TAZER to unlock and force 2 wheel only to see if that

OBTW a little side story here. Caught a Mustang GT, automatic sleeping on the green light and toasted him in the quarter mile! He was pizzed and insists that Jeep didn't offer this from the factory. Claimed I built it! Although I was flatterred I can't take credit for the Hemi Wrangler. I'm convinced that if I raise the MPH limit I can get into the high 12's stock! I will also experiment with a TAZER to unlock and force 2 wheel only to see if that helps.

Nice. Spontaneous street racing is not anything to brag about. I hope you and this mustang driver discussed your vehicles’ performance in a jail cell. Shameful.

 

[BL Beast]

Nice. Spontaneous street racing is not anything to brag about. I hope you and this mustang driver discussed your vehicles’ performance in a jail cell. Shameful.

In your haste to inject an obnoxious comment here you didn't take time to read the first of this addressing time slip from the drag strip did you? They don't lock up folks cutting green lights at the drag strip. I guess you wouldn't know that would you? I also ran a Camaro that spanked me running in the low 12's but we don't have to worry about being locked up for that either. It seems odd, you being new here and your first post was an attack based on your lack of reading skills. Then again you join with a name like Hornets Nest I assume that's why you are here isn't it?