Are all 392's the same?

No. Not odd at all. Northern states treat winter roads with salt. Salt eats Jeeps. Rusted out Jeeps are worth less, unsurprisingly.
Go back and reread the post slowly. 392's haven't had time to start rusting! As per your other posts here about Jeeps you seem lost in the woods with the BUGS! You have missed the point completely. Salt has absolutely NOTHING to do with NEW Jeeps being cheaper up north! Jeeps are less desirable up North due to extreme cold temperatures in the winter. In the southern states, they have more warm days to drive around with the doors and top off. The resale is higher and they sell quicker in warmer states. You sir are the shopper the sales people LOVE to see come into the dealership!
 
Was there some point to this post or was someone off their meds?

Newsflash: Identical twins are not identical- story at 10:00!
 
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Jeeps are less desirable up North due to extreme cold temperatures in the winter. In the southern states, they have more warm days to drive around with the doors and top off. The resale is higher and they sell quicker in warmer states.
I've yet to crank up the heater on my new 2024 392 as we head into summer but I've read quite often that the Jeep heater has apparently always been quite powerful. So, is this unknown to northerners or is that a customer perception problem in general about Jeeps? Maybe they think only about soft tops? Too, when I was shopping for a MY2024 Jeep, existing owners of older models kept telling me how noisy Jeeps are, yet I find my 2024 392 even with SOT is not noisy at all, as I define "noise". Perhaps the noise reputation of older models also figures into customer perceptions of a cold and airy Jeep in the winter?
 
Go back and reread the post slowly. 392's haven't had time to start rusting! As per your other posts here about Jeeps you seem lost in the woods with the BUGS! You have missed the point completely. Salt has absolutely NOTHING to do with NEW Jeeps being cheaper up north! Jeeps are less desirable up North due to extreme cold temperatures in the winter. In the southern states, they have more warm days to drive around with the doors and top off. The resale is higher and they sell quicker in warmer states. You sir are the shopper the sales people LOVE to see come into the dealership!
Oh, I see. You were referring only to NEW Jeeps. So, just ANOTHER completely made up fact that only you have observed.

Do you have another trick, or just the one where you make wild unsubstantiated claims on the internet?

Many, many folks on here bought 392s from dealers in the "north", and drove or shipped vehicles hundreds of miles, because they were unable to get those low prices elsewhere.

The number one state for Jeeps sales is New York, as of 2021.
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I'm not surprised at all. by the actual data, after all, populous state sell more total vehicles.

Where the rubber meets the road is how many per capita.... ALL "northern," cold places... well MAYBE Oklahoma is a bit warmer.

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So, much like your performance claims, there's not much to back up your claims.

https://hedgescompany.com/blog/2021/03/jeep-owner-demographics/
 
I like the per capita list which includes my old stomping grounds of Wyoming. I'm driving my 392 to there this summer. I can understand the Upper Peninsula of Michigan for sure, having been there. Don't know anything about the terrain of the other states on that list. Except maybe Oklahoma where the wind comes sweeping down the plain. LOL.
 
I like the per capita list which includes my old stomping grounds of Wyoming. I'm driving my 392 to there this summer. I can understand the Upper Peninsula of Michigan for sure, having been there. Don't know anything about the terrain of the other states on that list. Except maybe Oklahoma where the wind comes sweeping down the plain. LOL.
We spent last August in Wyoming around Cody. The Kirwin ghost town, Carter Mountain through the Pitchfork Ranch, Up Spirit Mountain to the NFS cave, Dead Indian Pass overlooking the Morrison Jeep Trail, Big Ice Cave in the Pryors, and we even made some runs over to the Bighorns to check some of that out.

Have fun, and if you are looking for Wyoming Ideas, hit me up.
 
Oh, I see. You were referring only to NEW Jeeps. So, just ANOTHER completely made up fact that only you have observed.

Do you have another trick, or just the one where you make wild unsubstantiated claims on the internet?

Many, many folks on here bought 392s from dealers in the "north", and drove or shipped vehicles hundreds of miles, because they were unable to get those low prices elsewhere.

The number one state for Jeeps sales is New York, as of 2021.
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I'm not surprised at all. by the actual data, after all, populous state sell more total vehicles.

Where the rubber meets the road is how many per capita.... ALL "northern," cold places... well MAYBE Oklahoma is a bit warmer.

View attachment 36411

So, much like your performance claims, there's not much to back up your claims.

https://hedgescompany.com/blog/2021/03/jeep-owner-demographics/
I joined this forum to post about Jeep Wrangler 392s. You OTOH stay up late night, searching the internet to try and make yourself look intelligent. I base my buying and selling decisions on personal real life experiences. I've stood at Manheim Auto auctions in the winter and purchased soft top Jeep Wranglers for nothing. Shipped to southern states and sold for a tidy profit. I won't single out New Jeep Wrangler sales here on this site as I see one is a sponsor here. I'm sure if you contact them they will share some of their knowledge about sales and shipping Wranglers as well as people flying in and driving them home. BUT with the advent of the internet, a sponsor here on this site, had NEW 392s considerably cheaper than anyone south of the Mason Dixon line. I hate to break this news to you but Northern dealers sell them cheap and move a ton of them to southern buyers. IT's called volume PROFITS! I can only assume you've never been in busines or signed a paycheck by your posts........................
 
Low hanging fruit.........................
NEWS FLASH....................... All rifles and handguns shot to the same exact point of impact................ Just like all 392's run the quarter mile at exactly the same time and speed.
 
I joined this forum to post about Jeep Wrangler 392s. You OTOH stay up late night, searching the internet to try and make yourself look intelligent. I base my buying and selling decisions on personal real life experiences. I've stood at Manheim Auto auctions in the winter and purchased soft top Jeep Wranglers for nothing. Shipped to southern states and sold for a tidy profit. I won't single out New Jeep Wrangler sales here on this site as I see one is a sponsor here. I'm sure if you contact them they will share some of their knowledge about sales and shipping Wranglers as well as people flying in and driving them home. BUT with the advent of the internet, a sponsor here on this site, had NEW 392s considerably cheaper than anyone south of the Mason Dixon line. I hate to break this news to you but Northern dealers sell them cheap and move a ton of them to southern buyers. IT's called volume PROFITS! I can only assume you've never been in busines or signed a paycheck by your posts........................
How can you be so wrong in one paragraph?

You most certainly did not come here to talk about 392s. You came here to beat your own chest and proclaim how smart and awesome you are with made up assertions that cannot be proven. And your ego is so fragile that you feel the compulsive need to lash out at anyone who might break your self delusions.

The one thing that blows your position out of the water is the facts. The other is winter. Northern states get snow. Sometimes enough snow to be a problem for your average automobile. So people in northern climes tend to buy 4 wheel drives. More 4 wheel drives means more Jeeps on average.

Southern states on the other hand, require you to have the top on and the A/C blasting 6 months out of the year because it's just too hot to go topless in the summer. And the thunderstorms nearly every afternoon around 4pm in Mobile Alabama are a nightmare for a Jeep. Don't get caught out in that without the doors, if the thunderstorm doesn't get you the oppressive heat and humidity that follows surely will.

My personal record for number of consecutive days of daily driving without putting the top up is 119 days, in Billings Montana in the summer of 2009. It was glorious, and something I don't think I'll ever be able to duplicate. What's your record? Have you even had the top off the Jeep?

As for your assumptions about me, those are wrong as well (at least you're consistent). After the government price muddling killed off the family dairy business. I grew up poor. More so than most people can imagine. In a crooked falling-down house with no foundation and little food and less heat all winter long. I left home at 17 and learned to fend for myself. I had a knack for fixing things. Nobody wanted to pay me a living wage to fix Jeeps, so eventually I figured out the I could fix computers. I taught myself everything I could. I took on jobs nobody else would do, because they were too far away, or had to be done over a holiday weekend, or at night when there were no users needing access. I made hundreds of thousands of dollars for my employers, while getting paid enough to make it worth my while.

I started my own consulting and managed services firm in 2010, and sold it in 2012. I "retired" to western Montana, where I eventually got bored, and started remotely consulting again under a new business which continues to this day. I've consulted for IBM, CDI, CSC, Healthnet Kaiser, NBD, Bank of Mexico, many departments of the US government and so many others that I forget them all. I've built and managed multi-national teams for Fortune 50 companies. I've designed, built and refined technology infrastructure that you likely rely on every day in some fashion.

You... You're just a (probably) harmless blowhard. but you're pretty good at it.

Cheers
 
How can you be so wrong in one paragraph?

You most certainly did not come here to talk about 392s. You came here to beat your own chest and proclaim how smart and awesome you are with made up assertions that cannot be proven. And your ego is so fragile that you feel the compulsive need to lash out at anyone who might break your self delusions.

The one thing that blows your position out of the water is the facts. The other is winter. Northern states get snow. Sometimes enough snow to be a problem for your average automobile. So people in northern climes tend to buy 4 wheel drives. More 4 wheel drives means more Jeeps on average.

Southern states on the other hand, require you to have the top on and the A/C blasting 6 months out of the year because it's just too hot to go topless in the summer. And the thunderstorms nearly every afternoon around 4pm in Mobile Alabama are a nightmare for a Jeep. Don't get caught out in that without the doors, if the thunderstorm doesn't get you the oppressive heat and humidity that follows surely will.

My personal record for number of consecutive days of daily driving without putting the top up is 119 days, in Billings Montana in the summer of 2009. It was glorious, and something I don't think I'll ever be able to duplicate. What's your record? Have you even had the top off the Jeep?

As for your assumptions about me, those are wrong as well (at least you're consistent). After the government price muddling killed off the family dairy business. I grew up poor. More so than most people can imagine. In a crooked falling-down house with no foundation and little food and less heat all winter long. I left home at 17 and learned to fend for myself. I had a knack for fixing things. Nobody wanted to pay me a living wage to fix Jeeps, so eventually I figured out the I could fix computers. I taught myself everything I could. I took on jobs nobody else would do, because they were too far away, or had to be done over a holiday weekend, or at night when there were no users needing access. I made hundreds of thousands of dollars for my employers, while getting paid enough to make it worth my while.

I started my own consulting and managed services firm in 2010, and sold it in 2012. I "retired" to western Montana, where I eventually got bored, and started remotely consulting again under a new business which continues to this day. I've consulted for IBM, CDI, CSC, Healthnet Kaiser, NBD, Bank of Mexico, many departments of the US government and so many others that I forget them all. I've built and managed multi-national teams for Fortune 50 companies. I've designed, built and refined technology infrastructure that you likely rely on every day in some fashion.

You... You're just a (probably) harmless blowhard. but you're pretty good at it.

Cheers
You respond to everything with volumes of mumbling BS! .......... I realized you were defeated when you resorted to names. SO you are right! All the 392's run exactly the same! They all drive the same! They all shift exactly the same! Why? Because you read it on the internet! Also all firearms shoot perfect bullseye right out of the box. YOU WIN! I came here to speak about the 392s and I'll entertain any comments about the original topic. As for you? I rely on dealer information that you can't search on the internet........... That's why it's dealer access only.
 
You respond to everything with volumes of mumbling BS! .......... I realized you were defeated when you resorted to names. SO you are right! All the 392's run exactly the same! They all drive the same! They all shift exactly the same! Why? Because you read it on the internet! Also all firearms shoot perfect bullseye right out of the box. YOU WIN! I came here to speak about the 392s and I'll entertain any comments about the original topic. As for you? I rely on dealer information that you can't search on the internet........... That's why it's dealer access only.
Arguing from extremes is yet another logical fallacy. So is the straw man.

Nobody said "exactly the same", which is both.

As for your top secret dealer only information.... you really are a one-hit-wonder aren't you. Yet again with the "appeal to authority" argument. Information that only you know and cannot be verified because you are the special chosen one to posses this precious knowledge. Tiring.

If you actually have facts to back up your position, you might want to pull them out now. But, you don't, do you?
 
@guruman just let it go man, it’s not worth it. take a look at post #29 where BL Beast actually quotes himself then argues with himself, and he has confused you for me about my bees and honey quote more than once. Maybe, if we are lucky he will be on a different forum next week telling people he’s been to the moon, but in reality he was probably arrested for being naked in an alley in an old refrigerator box pretending to renter earth’s atmosphere while high on oxy and horse tranquilizers.
 
@guruman just let it go man, it’s not worth it. take a look at post #29 where BL Beast actually quotes himself then argues with himself, and he has confused you for me about my bees and honey quote more than once. Maybe, if we are lucky he will be on a different forum next week telling people he’s been to the moon, but in reality he was probably arrested for being naked in an alley in an old refrigerator box pretending to renter earth’s atmosphere while high on oxy and horse tranquilizers.
I had time on my hands. Poking the bear is my favorite pastime.

I especially like it when they foam at the mouth and threaten to hunt me down. A couple of more volleys and we'll be there.
 
We spent last August in Wyoming around Cody. The Kirwin ghost town, Carter Mountain through the Pitchfork Ranch, Up Spirit Mountain to the NFS cave, Dead Indian Pass overlooking the Morrison Jeep Trail, Big Ice Cave in the Pryors, and we even made some runs over to the Bighorns to check some of that out.

Have fun, and if you are looking for Wyoming Ideas, hit me up.

For fun, I plotted several of the places you mentioned, as best that Google does it:

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Good ideas, thanks. Will save for a future trip.
 
I had time on my hands. Poking the bear is my favorite pastime.

I especially like it when they foam at the mouth and threaten to hunt me down. A couple of more volleys and we'll be there.
Ok, pardon the interruption. 🤣 carry on.
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For fun, I plotted several of the places you mentioned, as best that Google does it:

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Good ideas, thanks. Will save for a future trip.
Yeah, it's best not to try it all at once. Also, it's better to get to the Big Ice Cave from the Lovell side. I think some of that up in Montana is part of the Crow Reservation, and you may not actually be able to get there.

And the Pitchfork Ranch is not even the beginning of the Carter Mountain trail... it's like seven miles through the biggest pasture I've ever seen to get to the NFS trail, then half a day up to the top. But looking off the 3000 or so foot cliffs up above 11k feet is totally worth it. Pack a lunch, and eat it while dangling your feet off the edge. Have fun and report back with pics if you get to go. I need to get back out there.

Edit: If you use OnX, I think I can send you some better waypoints/routes, just hit me up when you're ready.
 

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