Does XR delete the Fox shocks?

@cgrosen324 you read my mind! I ordered… but at this rate may never actually get it to have regrets!
 
YukonCornelius said:
Things we 392 buyers are paying for that we don't really get (included already, or, replaced with equal or lesser component)

- Beadlock capable wheels (just getting 1/2" wider - but Willys and Rubi are full upgrades)
- Larger brakes (included in 392)
- 1.5" Lift (392 is already 2")
- Thicker Dana 44 tube walls (included in 392)
- And of course, the Fox versus MOPAR shock controversy

So we still pay the same $4k for:
Different (not in addition to) shock tuning
315x70x17 BFG KO2's
4.56 gearing
Hinge reinforcement
1/2" wider wheel

Am I missing anything?
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On the XR reviews I have seen on Utube the XR has some very odd looking fender flare extensions that I would remove on the way home from the dealer.

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Saw this picture of an XR shock:
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I did not order XR and have gone back and forth on that decision ever since. Main thing to me was the gears. Even if you put 37's on the XR you will be running more RPM at given speed than the stock 33's with non XR.
 
Viking Jeeper said:
On the XR reviews I have seen on Utube they XR has some very odd looking fender flare extensions that I would remove on the way home from the dealer.

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I have to agree, did not really notice those extensions before and just look like cheap afterthought. Really regretting my XR order more and more.
 
YukonCornelius said:
Things we 392 buyers are paying for that we don't really get (included already, or, replaced with equal or lesser component)

- Beadlock capable wheels (just getting 1/2" wider - but Willys and Rubi are full upgrades)
- Larger brakes (included in 392)
- 1.5" Lift (392 is already 2")
- Thicker Dana 44 tube walls (included in 392)
- And of course, the Fox versus MOPAR shock controversy

So we still pay the same $4k for:
Different (not in addition to) shock tuning
315x70x17 BFG KO2's
4.56 gearing
Hinge reinforcement
1/2" wider wheel

Am I missing anything?
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I agree with your analysis, and TBH, the selling point for me was the recalibrated speedo limiter (110mph from 99mph) and the 4.56 gears. This is the configuration that C&D tested to achieve the 4.0 sec 0-60 (I know, with rollout), and 12.9 sec 1/4 mile.

Is $4k a lot to spend to shave 0.5 sec on 0-60? Maybe. Or to be able to break triple digits? Perhaps. But I just felt like since I was already spending $$ may as well get the fastest performance while keeping it factory warranted.

I know you can probably make all these updates with a Tazer or tune — after all I have a custom-tuned Evo X, but I wanted to keep it warranted so I don’t have to deal with headaches when I try and register my car in one of “those states”.
 
YukonCornelius said:
So we still pay the same $4k for:
Different (not in addition to) shock tuning
315x70x17 BFG KO2's
4.56 gearing
Hinge reinforcement
1/2" wider wheel
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Yukon I think you nailed it with your post. The XR gets you 3 big things:
  • Jeep branded tuned suspension and factory equipped 315x70x17 BFG KO2
  • 4:56 gearing
  • Bragging rights (and possibly long term value due to supply/demand)

I would bet that the increase in acceleration is due to the 4:56 gearing. That’s it. It certainly isn’t the increase in unsprung weight, larger tires, or the extra cool fender wings. 😎👍
It seems unlikely Jeep would spend any resources on increasing the power output of the engine, or drivetrain, or modifying the brakes. That cost money and means they need to redesign or source/support special XR-only parts. This is borne out by the data. Here are two dyno graphs showing the output differences the original 392 is first and the 382XR is second. You can see peak HP is about the same at about 395 in both at the wheel but torque goes up slightly from 416ft-lbs for the 392 to 422ft-lbs in the 392XR (about a 1.5% increase). So if they tuned the XR, they didn’t try very hard.
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For me the loss of the Fox shocks and the fact that I will eventually upgrade the axels to Dynatrac anyways (I think 4.10 with 35’s is about perfect). This made the choice to buy the 392OG (non-XR) easy. Big thanks to Livernois for sharing their dyno graph.
 
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The gearing, 35s/wheels, hinge reinforcement and warranty from factory were worth it to me. I am not into doing the after market stuff yet, so getting what I wanted from factory without having the piece it together after the fact was worth the money and lack of aggravation for me.

If you are of the mindset to tear it down and rebuild the way you want, then the XR package may not be worth it.
 
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JEEPGEEK said:
Oh, I totally agree with both of you guys. I, like you, scoured the internet to try and find out if they were Fox shocks before taking ownership. The idea of getting Fox shocks felt more "aftermarket" than getting the Mopar shocks. One of the first things I did at the dealership was slide underneath to check the shocks. Was I disappointed? Yes. Do I still think it rides amazing compared to all other Jeeps I've owned/rode in? YES!

Hopefully, one day we get an article explaining why they went with the Mopar shocks over the Fox shocks on the XR. I have hope it was due to the performance when testing the XR package and not simply to make more money off the mark-up.
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Not an expert, but could it be the size?
 
cgrosen324 said:
Not a great pic but I was right. I guess they had to delete the guards since they inverted the rear shocks. I’m becoming more and more unhappy with my XR order.
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I did some deep digging before I ordered. After reading the details of the XR package, I wasn’t inclined to spend $4k for just two mods I favored and I can install myself. I didn’t like the wheels, rarely did I ever need or desire to go over 100mph in a wrangler, and 10 mph more wasn’t a deal breaker for me. The only thing I wanted out of that package was the gearing. And I can swap gears. I didn’t like the little fender flares either. Nit picking there, but still. I also saw an XR at a dealer in my travels and saw the suspension set up.

To each his own, but the XR is appealing for those who want a turn key set up and perhaps believe it’s “more valuable” than a standard set up.

sorry for your discovery. But hey, you have a 392. You can still swap parts, you have 4.10 gearing and there’s always someone looking to buy those wheels. 🤓
 
Suppose one were to upgrade their XR 392 with Fox shocks… which ones? :p
 
Thanks for posting all that guys, I thought I really wanted the XR package but now that I see the facts. I am going to stick with my non-XR and just do my own actual bronze color rims (taking suggestions!) and some 35” tires for now and maybe re-gear down the road (no pun intended). I had FOX shocks on my CanAm Maverick and was very happy with their performance!
 
surprised by the negativity towards the additional fender flares... I actually think the added flares are a major positive to the package and add some MUCH needed visual distinction. Love the look.

I think you can definitely argue value/dollar here of the XR pack if you are going to mod and do some of that stuff anyways there's probably a more efficient way to get what you want. Factory gears and the warranty on those gears + better wheel/tire setup + the flares were enough for me to justify the expense. Thats why its an option though, at that price its not for everybody.
 
bwoodbmw said:
surprised by the negativity towards the additional fender flares... I actually think the added flares are a major positive to the package and add some MUCH needed visual distinction. Love the look.

I think you can definitely argue value/dollar here of the XR pack if you are going to mod and do some of that stuff anyways there's probably a more efficient way to get what you want. Factory gears and the warranty on those gears + better wheel/tire setup + the flares were enough for me to justify the expense. Thats why its an option though, at that price its not for everybody.
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I agree completely. And the added bonus is that if the majority of people feel the way the negative nellies here do, then our XRs should maintain a certain level of comparative rarity.
 
KungFu392 said:
I agree completely. And the added bonus is that if the majority of people feel the way the negative nellies here do, then our XRs should maintain a certain level of comparative rarity.
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I agree, The gearing to me is totally worth it. I know you can do that after market but I plan on keeping mine for a while and I want the factory warranty. On a sidenote. I have not been able to find anything out about suspension travel. How many total inches front and rear?Anyone know or have any info? Thanks
 
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