Prepper Vehicle? 392 Running on Regular Gas

Hey guys,

So I bought a 2023 non XR 392 in May and I love it. I romp on it everywhere with the sky one touch back and it makes me happy.

I’m also a self admitted prepper and am wondering how the 392 would hold up in a SHTF scenario. I’d love to have the 392 as my bugout vehicle. I feel like it is beyond capable in just about every metric other than fuel consumption and fuel range. That’s ok I can live with that.

My question is regarding running regular fuel in the 392. In a real disaster type of scenario, premium gas typically becomes unobtainable (I live in Florida and if a serious hurricane comes through, you’re lucky to have regular gas available). I’ve done some research in this forum about it and have gotten mixed answers. Does the 392 pull timing to protect the engine when it gets suboptimal octane gas like most cars? Does the engine just implode the second a drop of 85 is put in the gas tank?

Curious as to what you guys think. Does anybody else think about this stuff with their 392? Should I just buy a super cheap gladiator as my second bug out vehicle (you can get a 2023 gladiator for extremely cheap nowadays).

**I’m obviously aware this is only in a true disaster scenario and not to be taken lightly and will likely invalidate the warranty.

"Octanium increases octane by up to 70 points (7 numbers). It eliminates knocking & pinging, improves throttle response, removes gum and varnish, and cleans fuel injectors."
  • Safe with catalytic converters
  • Safe with 02 Sensors

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"Octanium increases octane by up to 80 points (8 numbers). It eliminates knocking & pinging, improves throttle response, removes gum and varnish, and cleans fuel injectors."

Tested Here:

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Corrected, made a mistake there, pulling up the Unleaded version (VP Octanium® Unleaded)...it raises Octane 7 Numbers and is safer for Emissions Systems and Components...still if you read the fine print it is not for everyday use...

  • Safe with catalytic converters
  • Safe with 02 Sensors
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Since the owners manual says "recommended" and there are parts of the US where anything over 87 is not available is it too much to ASSuME that the engineers made it safe to use 87?
I don't have the original 392 owners manual supplement that came with mine so ordered a new one from the dealer - maybe it has changed? But this is what it says under Fuel Requirements (page 37) on the version they gave me:

"The use of 91 or higher octane “Premium” gasoline is
required in these engines."

That, and pretty much I'm a big coward for not actually trying some 87 to see if I actually notice any detonation 🙃

LF
 
Corrected, made a mistake there, pulling up the Unleaded version (VP Octanium® Unleaded)...it raises Octane 7 Numbers and is safer for Emissions Systems and Components...still if you read the fine print it is not for everyday use...

  • Safe with catalytic converters
  • Safe with 02 Sensors
That makes a lot of sense and probably explains why there is so much conflicting information around. The 'carry a bottle for just in case' seems like a good approach - thanks for the deep dig for information (y)

LF
 
Since the owners manual says "recommended" and there are parts of the US where anything over 87 is not available is it too much to ASSuME that the engineers made it safe to use


The 392 manual says:




Fuel Selection — 6.4L Engine





Premium Unleaded 91 Octane Only or Higher (R+M)/2 Method, 0-15% Ethanol (Do Not Use E-85).



6.4L ENGINE
"Do not use E-85 flex fuel or ethanol blends greater than 15% in this engine.
This engine is designed to meet all emissions regulations, provide optimal fuel economy and performance when using high-quality unleaded premium gasoline having a posted octane number of 91 as specified by the (R+M)/2 method. The use of 91 or higher octane premium gasoline is required in these engines."
 

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Let me just say this as vague as I can on a public forum. I think what octane you run is dependent on your situation. And I think in many scenario’s nothing is gonna happen. If you load up on 87 in Death Valley or the daytona Beach you probably will have problems. But where I live at altitude in cold air, run what you can get…
 
The 392 manual says:




Fuel Selection — 6.4L Engine





Premium Unleaded 91 Octane Only or Higher (R+M)/2 Method, 0-15% Ethanol (Do Not Use E-85).



6.4L ENGINE
"Do not use E-85 flex fuel or ethanol blends greater than 15% in this engine.
This engine is designed to meet all emissions regulations, provide optimal fuel economy and performance when using high-quality unleaded premium gasoline having a posted octane number of 91 as specified by the (R+M)/2 method. The use of 91 or higher octane premium gasoline is required in these engines."
Yep. You are right! There I go assuME ing again. I only run 93 (cant get 91 here) but since there is no in-vehicle warning I thought it was more of a should.
 
I don't have the original 392 owners manual supplement that came with mine so ordered a new one from the dealer - maybe it has changed? But this is what it says under Fuel Requirements (page 37) on the version they gave me:

"The use of 91 or higher octane “Premium” gasoline is
required in these engines."

That, and pretty much I'm a big coward for not actually trying some 87 to see if I actually notice any detonation 🙃

LF
You are right. I deleted my above statement so it cant be used against me in a court of law. :D
 
You are right. I deleted my above statement so it cant be used against me in a court of law. :D
Installed a Magnuson SC on my 3.8 JK, ran a 91 Tune on it as per Magnuson and Diablosport, many times I ran partially 89 Octane in the tank and would top up with 93 Octane at first opportunity, never had an issue, but it did stay on the "front burner" in my mind when I did have to use 89 Octane...
 
I keep one bottle in the cubby hole under rear mat...if I had to use it I would drive easy until I could get to some 91 or 93 Octane Fuel...the secret here is the Lucas Octane Booster increases THREE FULL NUMBERS...not points...Three Full Numbers + 87 Octane = 90 Octane for 25 gallons with a 15 oz Bottle...so a 15 Oz Bottle added to 20 gallons 87 Octane is ~91 Octane...
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The gf and I want to get an M35 variant with the multifuel engine to have fun with and putz around Tampa/Clearwater in; you know go out for some ice cream and pull up in a Deuce & 1/2 😂.
She prefers a smaller bobbed Deuce with only 4x4 but those seem to be customized and exceed our 10k preferred budget.

We have a couple saved on FB marketplace, just trying to do some research on things to look out for when buying a used Deuce.
 
I used to have a Subaru WRX, that was tuned to within an inch of its life, running 22 pounds of boost pressure. It was sensitive to octane to say the least.

I spent a ton of time and experiments to see what my best option was. It ran well on 93 octane, but that was very limited in my area at the time. Sometimes I'd have to fill up with 91, which would cause it to pull timing on me. As far as I know, all modern vehicles use a knock sensor to detect detonation and pull the timing accordingly. I've not noticed in my 392, but I bet it does it. It would likely throw a warning light is my guess.

I discovered that all of those small bottles of "octane booster" were total marketing wank and most did nothing at all.

Some research led me to using toluene as an octane booster. I could get it at my local Sherwin Williams in 1, 5, or 55 gallon quantities.

Toluene is what fell manufacturers user to increase octane (at least it's ONE of the compounds used frequently).

After much testing I found that adding one gallon of toluene before filling up with 91 octane would increase the octane in the tank enough to prevent it from pulling the timing at full beans.

Being a bit of a pepper myself, these days I keep 250 gallons of "recreation gas" on hand. I use it in all of my mowers, trimmers, blowers, etc, because it is ethanol free and stores for much longer. With a shot of fuel stabilizer I've been able to store that stuff for two years and still use it just fine. It's 91 octane.

This is a long response to say that you could stockpile some "rec gas" and some toluene to get your 392 to run just fine during the apocalypse.
my farm store fills my 500 gal ethanol free premium and 500 gal diesel tanks every week or so. it's more expensive than ethanol pump premium but peace of mind with expensive sportscars, and the 392 and the xtreme use it too. I have 2 years of food, etc, etc etc just like i bet you. do too.
 

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