Just one question…. WHY?

[dblplay1212]

Dads should be teaching their kids how to take on challenges, how to understand them, and how to properly negotiate them, not turn that responsibility over to AI. “Hey kids, download that new dad app, have a nice life,” nah.

Do you use a calculator or do you break out pencil and paper to do all math? Google/Apple maps or do you just ask for directions? We all use computers/technology to do things for us now. It would be pretty hypocritical to draw a line in the sand and judge what the next generation can and can't use technology to do.

Some people will still be very interested in the mechanical/technical side of cars/Jeeps. Others won't care but will still be able to enjoy a camping trip. I don't see that as a bad thing, personally.

 

[Yaak392]

Like many companies Jeep is just falling into line to conform to social pressure and they are trying to appeal to a new target audience. People who probably have never changed their own oil, a flat tire or even a worn out wiper blade. Now they can simply push a button and drive the Rubicon trail return home and brag about their epic adventure with little to no personal effort. With every technological advancement Jeep moves further from its roots. Don’t get me wrong, I love my 392 but I love my JK just a bit more and I’d sell my soul to get YJ back.
There is no way in hell I would trust a bunch of software to navigate a trail where the difference between life or death could be a matter of inches. In my area GPS still sends tourists onto snow machine trails. people who are completely unaware that they are driving miles into terrain that isn’t suitable for a bulldozer but some people have become so dependent on technology they refuse to use common sense to tell them that their Mrecedes S class cannot cross a peat bog that is only passable during the frozen winter months. (surprisingly they made it further than most people.)

I echo your comments. Tourist season is starting here in Montana. GPS takes people to places they are Way out of their element.... and they don't have a clue.
I have to take one exception to your rating your Jeeps.(lol) Our first jeep was a YJ. It's what started it all . Loved it!!!! Next was a JK it was almost as much fun as the YJ.... BUT our 392 is ... for me it's better than any thing I have had before.
Enjoyed all the comments!!!

 

[zmpm01]

Antonymous driving, Just not for me might as well play off-roading on the computer.

I just seen the 2024 Wrangler grill it's BUTT UGLY! Electric car or Jeep crap not buying it ever!
Simplest and most reliable 77 CJ5 V8 3sp. Renegade could not kill it. Best overall Jeep 2006 TJ, I-6cly. 6sp 2dr Rubicon. it was part Billy Goat.

Most fun Jeep 2021 392, blast to drive, comfortable for a Jeep anyways and with all $$$ 4 wheel gadgets it will make you look like a pro on the trail, If you haven't taken it out on the trail you really need to and oh yeah drive it yourself...

 

[Rscx4]

Do you use a calculator or do you break out pencil and paper to do all math? Google/Apple maps or do you just ask for directions? We all use computers/technology to do things for us now. It would be pretty hypocritical to draw a line in the sand and judge what the next generation can and can't use technology to do.

Some people will still be very interested in the mechanical/technical side of cars/Jeeps. Others won't care but will still be able to enjoy a camping trip. I don't see that as a bad thing, personally.

For fun and my entertainment pleasure I do use the pencil and paper, and maybe all four of my kids work out every math problem on paper. I don’t ask for directions, my favorite are the map books but they can be a burden to tote so it is fair to say I plan my route electronically nowadays meaning I scope out my route of choice, and then commit it to memory and put the iPad away. I find it more than unfortunate how incapable our latest generation is without AI assistance, this does not bode well for the future.

Also this is not drawing a line in the sand or defining hat one May or may not use. The point was education, teaching and learning. Once you’ve actually learned now to do math or navigate, for real, then no harm in using an electronic aid. However the reverse of that, learning via AI doing it for you, means you don’t learn and that is very harmful for our younger and future gens.

 

[dblplay1212]

For fun and my entertainment pleasure I do use the pencil and paper, and maybe all four of my kids work out every math problem on paper. I don’t ask for directions, my favorite are the map books but they can be a burden to tote so it is fair to say I plan my route electronically nowadays meaning I scope out my route of choice, and then commit it to memory and put the iPad away. I find it more than unfortunate how incapable our latest generation is without AI assistance, this does not bode well for the future.

Also this is not drawing a line in the sand or defining hat one May or may not use. The point was education, teaching and learning. Once you’ve actually learned now to do math or navigate, for real, then no harm in using an electronic aid. However the reverse of that, learning via AI doing it for you, means you don’t learn and that is very harmful for our younger and future gens.

So if you're driving two states away, have to stop in two cities on the way to pick up things at locations youvenever been to, and then end up in a hotel in a city you've never been in, you memorize all of the directions and don't use Google maps to find the hotel? Seems wild to me, but if it makes you happy, do you.

I don't think using technology harms anyone. It allows you to do things easier and faster than you would be able to otherwise so you can enjoy your time on something you'd prefer. Like if you want to spend an hour mapping and memorizing a route, that's awesome. I'd prefer to spend that hour talking with my wife, playing in the pool with the kids, or reading something. Neither of us is wrong. No need for either to say the other is wrong for doing it how they prefer.

 

[guruman]

So if you're driving two states away, have to stop in two cities on the way to pick up things at locations youvenever been to, and then end up in a hotel in a city you've never been in, you memorize all of the directions and don't use Google maps to find the hotel? Seems wild to me, but if it makes you happy, do you.

I don't think using technology harms anyone. It allows you to do things easier and faster than you would be able to otherwise so you can enjoy your time on something you'd prefer. Like if you want to spend an hour mapping and memorizing a route, that's awesome. I'd prefer to spend that hour talking with my wife, playing in the pool with the kids, or reading something. Neither of us is wrong. No need for either to say the other is wrong for doing it how they prefer.

Ummm... yeah. Exactly. I seldom do not know which way North is. I know how the interstate numbering works. I can use and read a map. It's not that hard.


Have you seen all the instances of people blindly following the GPS "directions" into a river, or off a ledge? Technology harms people all the time. Mostly because they cannot pull their faces off the glowing rectangle long enough to see what's going on around them. It's an epidemic. And it's not good for the human race.

I've worked in IT for nearly 30 years. I've seen a lot.

When the technology you depend on works perfectly, it's awesome and efficient, and has allowed leaps and bounds to the advancement of the human condition.

But being dependent on that technology is also a peril. When it fails, I've seen it bankrupt companies, cost hundreds of millions of dollars, and even endanger lives. The more we depend on tech for anything the more our risk of negative consequences when (not if) it fails.

 

[dblplay1212]

Ummm... yeah. Exactly. I seldom do not know which way North is. I know how the interstate numbering works. I can use and read a map. It's not that hard.


Have you seen all the instances of people blindly following the GPS "directions" into a river, or off a ledge? Technology harms people all the time. Mostly because they cannot pull their faces off the glowing rectangle long enough to see what's going on around them. It's an epidemic. And it's not good for the human race.

I've worked in IT for nearly 30 years. I've seen a lot.

When the technology you depend on works perfectly, it's awesome and efficient, and has allowed leaps and bounds to the advancement of the human condition.

But being dependent on that technology is also a peril. When it fails, I've seen it bankrupt companies, cost hundreds of millions of dollars, and even endanger lives. The more we depend on tech for anything the more our risk of negative consequences when (not if) it fails.

Literally every generation says this and the next generation ends up doing ok. The kids are gonna be alright.

 

[KuntryRube]

Wtf? I thought it was an April fools joke but I remembered it's June. I might as well watch a video of someone else wheeling.

 

[Sulley]

Soooo…. What’s next? Autonomous F1 and NASCAR?

I mean, what else are you gonna do with electric cars

 

[Viking Jeeper]

So if you're driving two states away, have to stop in two cities on the way to pick up things at locations youvenever been to, and then end up in a hotel in a city you've never been in, you memorize all of the directions and don't use Google maps to find the hotel? Seems wild to me, but if it makes you happy, do you.

I don't think using technology harms anyone. It allows you to do things easier and faster than you would be able to otherwise so you can enjoy your time on something you'd prefer. Like if you want to spend an hour mapping and memorizing a route, that's awesome. I'd prefer to spend that hour talking with my wife, playing in the pool with the kids, or reading something. Neither of us is wrong. No need for either to say the other is wrong for doing it how they prefer.

Technology is great but you need to be able to back it up with knowledge. My kids are in college and when learning to drive and before I made them navigate with paper maps. I know kids who could not get to work, school, or home without their phone. What happens when that phone craps out, gets stolen or the network is down? You need knowledge to back it up and you need to practice it. I was in Savanah GA a few years ago with my daughter. I handed her a paper tourist map and had her navigate to our hotel as I drove (I marked our hotel with a pen). She didn't like it and it took way longer than if we would have just typed in Google maps but in the end she appreciated the lesson and we had a great time seeing the sites of Downton Savanah rather than the boring interstate.

 

[guruman]

Literally every generation says this and the next generation ends up doing ok. The kids are gonna be alright.

Never before has a generation been so entirely dependent on technology they do not understand.

 

[dblplay1212]

Technology is great but you need to be able to back it up with knowledge. My kids are in college and when learning to drive and before I made them navigate with paper maps. I know kids who could not get to work, school, or home without their phone. What happens when that phone craps out, gets stolen or the network is down? You need knowledge to back it up and you need to practice it. I was in Savanah GA a few years ago with my daughter. I handed her a paper tourist map and had her navigate to our hotel as I drove (I marked our hotel with a pen). She didn't like it and it took way longer than if we would have just typed in Google maps but in the end she appreciated the lesson and we had a great time seeing the sites of Downton Savanah rather than the boring interstate.

I agree that having general navigation skills is a good thing. I agree that learning math is a good thing. I don't agree with "Once you’ve actually learned now to do math or navigate, for real, then no harm in using an electronic aid." Technology is here, it's not going away. You don't need to know how the sausage is made. I can't remember the last time I didn't have access to a calculator or an electronic map unless I purposefully went out to an area that didn't have cell signal, and even then I downloaded a map prior to going. The vast majority of people in this country haven't been out of range of signal in the last 5 years. It's always there. Sure some people live in the middle of nowhere and they need to learn certain skills but the guy lives in NYC probably doesn't need to know how to navigate by the stars. So many people think skills that they need are needed by everyone and it's just not the case.

 

[dblplay1212]

Never before has a generation been so entirely dependent on technology they do not understand.

idk man 100 years ago people became super reliant on cars. Then radios. Then TV's. Now it's computers. It's really not going to ruin the next generation.

Now social media, now that has it's issues. But computers doing math, routes, or driving for you isn't going to ruin the kids.

 

[Yaak392]

idk man 100 years ago people became super reliant on cars. Then radios. Then TV's. Now it's computers. It's really not going to ruin the next generation.

Now social media, now that has it's issues. But computers doing math, routes, or driving for you isn't going to ruin the kids.

People without compassion or regret, -the ones living in Lala land - are the ones that are ruined. Our machines are already smarter than we are. AI just gives them something new to blame. Not my fault... GPS said go this way.

 

[Viking Jeeper]

idk man 100 years ago people became super reliant on cars. Then radios. Then TV's. Now it's computers. It's really not going to ruin the next generation.

Now social media, now that has it's issues. But computers doing math, routes, or driving for you isn't going to ruin the kids.

It has already ruined generations. Many young people would not know how to wipe their ass without a google search.

 

[Rscx4]

So if you're driving two states away, have to stop in two cities on the way to pick up things at locations youvenever been to, and then end up in a hotel in a city you've never been in, you memorize all of the directions and don't use Google maps to find the hotel? Seems wild to me, but if it makes you happy, do you.

I don't think using technology harms anyone. It allows you to do things easier and faster than you would be able to otherwise so you can enjoy your time on something you'd prefer. Like if you want to spend an hour mapping and memorizing a route, that's awesome. I'd prefer to spend that hour talking with my wife, playing in the pool with the kids, or reading something. Neither of us is wrong. No need for either to say the other is wrong for doing it how they prefer.

I like the end of your statement because no one is on tech, that is the best solution. And why not spend an hour together (wife, kids) looking at a road atlas or a Benchmark and looking for cool places to go, things to do, and the path to get there? Absolute quality family time, learning, and no screen.

 

[guruman]

idk man 100 years ago people became super reliant on cars. Then radios. Then TV's. Now it's computers. It's really not going to ruin the next generation.

Now social media, now that has it's issues. But computers doing math, routes, or driving for you isn't going to ruin the kids.

Cars maybe... but nobody was ever going to starve because the radio or TV stopped working.

The difference between the cars analogy and current technology is that the utility of cars is distributed. Everyone that has one is basically an island to themselves... if one quits, the others remain useable.

Technology is not that way. All of the utility on technology these days is maintained within a few core services. If one of those services dies, all of the devices that rely on it just stop working. If a CME takes out even a handful of satellites, half the young people won't be able to find their way anywhere. Technology will not just "always be there". It's subject to disruption, either by natural events or manmade ones.

We saw the huge impacts the pandemic had on our supply chain and the economic impact of just that.... with absolutely zero infrastructure losses. The internet, the power grid... hell even the encryption we depend on today is all subject to interruption at some point. Heck, even just AWS having an issue kills off tons of services until it's resolved.

A coordinated attack or even a natural event can take it all away in an instant. People lose their minds when it doesn't just work. Look at any natural disaster in the last 10 years... the first thing to happen is the networks and power go down... then there's a bunch of helpless people standing around waiting to be saved. Not too big of a deal when it's just a regional thing, when resources can be diverted from unaffected areas to help recover those lost services in a matter of a few weeks. Now imagine it on a nationwide or global scale, and those services will not be restored for months or years. Imagine if all of the chips manufactured in China just stopped working..... Every Android/Iphone, every internet router, every wifi access point ... It's not as far fetched as most people would think. I've spent a large portion of the last 7 years securing IPMI devices for IBM, because a remote vulnerability was baked into the chips by China.

You should not just assume that technology will always be there, because it is far from guaranteed. this is coming from a guy that has worked in business disaster recovery and continuity planning for nearly 30 years. I've spent a lifetime defining technology risks and ways t mitigate it. At a regional level it's not too hard. But on a global scale all bets are off.

As for the self-offroad-driving Jeep thing.... I suspect that Jeep is seeing the future of self driving vehicles, and they want to be the only ones working on the off-road aspect of that. I don't see it as catering to the incapable as much as I see it as a way for them to differentiate themselves in the future market.

 

[scarab]

It has already ruined generations. Many young people would not know how to wipe their ass without a google search.

Except they are to lazy to use google search, they will ask on social media instead.
Technology is not the problem. The thing is technology should be a tool that would help to do the job, make it easier, more convenient, whatever. Problem is when the technology will do the entire job for you, and you don't need to think, learn, research, or even lift a finger.

 

[guruman]

Except they are to lazy to use google search, they will ask on social media instead.

I'm pretty sure that's how they learned to eat Tide Pods.....

 

[Yaak392]

I'm pretty sure that's how they learned to eat Tide Pods.....

I'm pretty sure that's how they learned to eat Tide Pods.....

My chief complaint...
A different side to AI assisted driving.... We see tourists all summer (NW Montana). These people go jogging, or ride their bikes, just like they do at home. But here those actions can trigger attack mode in predators, The tourists seem to have no clue of their surroundings. We have dangerous grizzlies, black bear, mountain lions, and drug mules that roam freely. (I'm talking next to the Canadian border) These same tourists try to drive over mountain passes before they are passable. Why, I have asked? "This car is 4 wheel drive and Google says this way is closer".... this is why they got stuck after going through the snow berm where the county stops plowing.... (happened twice this spring, it would have been a 2 day walk for help... they were lucky)
No common sense... I can't wait to hear the excuses how it's AI's fault for getting them stuck or eaten.... Most people don't realize what a jeep can do. Or how much trouble they can get themselves into....
I'll stop ranting now.