The end is coming… much sooner than we thought.

[YukonCornelius]

No more ICE-only sales in EU - This YEAR!

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/b...-engine-only-vehicles-europe-2022/7469719001/

Hopefully the US can sustain production for many, many years yet!

 

[@JC]

Do they include their silly eTorque assist as a "hybrid" ?

 

[dblplay1212]

Wow this is a bigger % than I thought.


The $53,795 Wrangler 4xe, the U.S.'s most popular plug-in hybrid, according to the company, represents about 25% of Wrangler's North American sales mix.

"If we could produce more, we could sell more," Meunier said. "I would say the Grand Cherokee is probably going to be at least at the same level, at the same magnitude with 25% of the mix."

 

[@JC]

The $53,795 Wrangler 4xe, the U.S.'s most popular plug-in hybrid, according to the company, represents about 25% of Wrangler's North American sales mix.

I don't believe that 25% number for a second, if it's even close to that it's likely early adopters and the numbers will drop precipitously as those low hanging fruits satiate their initial enthusiasm.

 

[dblplay1212]

I don't believe that 25% number for a second, if it's even close to that it's likely early adopters and the numbers will drop precipitously as those low hanging fruits satiate their initial enthusiasm.

Ehh idk about that. EV sales are the biggest growth area for most manufacturers the last few years. I don't think he'd get up there and lie about something that can easily be proven false.

 

[HearHear]

Those anywhere in the world who hesitated buying a 392, next year at this time:

 

[mikeC]

According to Stellantis, the Jeep Wrangler 4xe was the best-selling plug-in hybrid model with 8,346 delivered in Q1, which is 18% of the total Jeep Wrangler volume (45,551).

 

[dblplay1212]

According to Stellantis, the Jeep Wrangler 4xe was the best-selling plug-in hybrid model with 8,346 delivered in Q1, which is 18% of the total Jeep Wrangler volume (45,551).

Maybe it went up in April and May? And the 25% was specifically for North America while the 18% didn't say it was for here or worldwide. But I think they are only selling 4xe in Europe? Who knows, sounds like it's safe safe say 20% or more are 4xe, which is surprising to me. I wasn't a huge fan of the 4xe when driving it but I'm glad they are having success with it. Hope they can continue to improve the battery on it.

 

[mikeC]

Maybe it went up in April and May? And the 25% was specifically for North America while the 18% didn't say it was for here or worldwide. But I think they are only selling 4xe in Europe? Who knows, sounds like it's safe safe say 20% or more are 4xe, which is surprising to me. I wasn't a huge fan of the 4xe when driving it but I'm glad they are having success with it. Hope they can continue to improve the battery on it.

I actually went to my dealer to order a 4xe - he gave me all the paperwork and all I had to do give him the okay. Then madness struck me and I had him order the 392 instead. Crossing my fingers it gets built - non XR with only floor mats and Gobi color.

 

[@JC]

I actually went to my dealer to order a 4xe - he gave me all the paperwork and all I had to do give him the okay. Then madness struck me and I had him order the 392 instead. Crossing my fingers it gets built - non XR with only floor mats and Gobi color.

Brother from another mother! Basically did the same thing, but after driving that dog we ended up going to Granger for the 392 as my local wouldn't deal on the 392 customer sold order.

 

[Jeepstin392]

No more ICE-only sales in EU - This YEAR!

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/b...-engine-only-vehicles-europe-2022/7469719001/

Hopefully the US can sustain production for many, many years yet!

I travel to the EU about 1x a month.
I recall the chatter being 2023.
If you fly into Amsterdam, every single taxi is full electric. The Netherlands is aiming to cease all ICE by 2025. Including getting rid of all petroleum stations.

 

[YukonCornelius]

Looking at CryptoStickers trend of last 60 days, 4xe is 2500 of 25000, or 10%

 

[Jeepstin392]

I actually went to my dealer to order a 4xe - he gave me all the paperwork and all I had to do give him the okay. Then madness struck me and I had him order the 392 instead. Crossing my fingers it gets built - non XR with only floor mats and Gobi color.

That’s not madness.
That’s Logic.

 

[dblplay1212]

I actually went to my dealer to order a 4xe - he gave me all the paperwork and all I had to do give him the okay. Then madness struck me and I had him order the 392 instead. Crossing my fingers it gets built - non XR with only floor mats and Gobi color.

Haha you made the right decision. We looked at the 4xe for my wife after we got the 392 bc then she wanted to trade her GC in for a Wrangler. We just didn't like the hybrid. If it was full electric, we'd do that for her. But the range is so low on full electric and I don't like the flipping back and forth and it felt like it drove different on each mode. When just on electric, it was a great ride, even if it was missing the sound, which she doesn't care about. If it even had 250+ mile range, it'd work for us. Hopefully they keep improving it.

 

[dblplay1212]

Looking at CryptoStickers trend of last 60 days, 4xe is 2500 of 25000, or 10%

I trust Stellantis more than Cryptostickers lol

 

[Initial-Jeep]

I dislike the EU every time I get a damn cookie notice popup.

 

[Uncommon Sense]

I'd be interested in a 4xe if the range was say 50-75 miles on full electric. I'd also want it to match current 392 0 to 60 acceleration.

 

[AZ392]

Never drove the 4xE, but was very interested until I read review. The very short range on battery killed it for me. I feel they should have gone with a better hybrid % out of the gate but likely finding more space for battery was an issue? So I was all set to get the Turbo Diesel, test drove it and out a deposit on one. Then it hit me, I don’t drive much anyway ( run my biz from home) so why not get the fun one Hoping she arrives this week or next!

 

[AZ392]

I'd be interested in a 4xe if the range was say 50-75 miles on full electric. I'd also want it to match current 392 0 to 60 acceleration.

Exactly, they gotta get that range up closer to 100 IMO, and yes get close or match acceleration of the 392

 

[Uncommon Sense]

Exactly, they gotta get that range up closer to 100 IMO, and yes get close or match acceleration of the 392

My thinking is I usually only drive 10-20 miles a day during the week. Full electric would be nice to save on gas while just cruising around my town. A 75 or 100 mile range would give plenty of buffer for 99.9% of my daily driving. If I ever need to go on a road trip, then using the gas engine is fine.

I just want to be able to flip a switch though and be able to take advantage of the electric torque / acceleration if I ever want to get on it for fun and still have similar acceleration times as a 392.