Stellantis announces end of gas-powered Challengers & Chargers

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End to a great era.

FCA / Stellantis hung onto the big displacement horsepower as long as they could. I have always loved their "no cares" approach to horsepower and sound, which is exactly why we have been extremely loyal to the brand over the past ~8 years.

I'll hold onto my 392 JL forever. I don't care to hear piped in engine noises and electric whining sounds for the rest of my life.
 

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They will still be making performance cars, it is just the powerplants will be different. I love NA V8's but they have to evolve due to the regulations and push for more efficient vehicles. We will likely see another high powered Rubicon using a v6 that will probably match or exceed the 392 performance wise. Curious to see what they are going to do with hybrid tech.

Like many of the JDMs from the 90s, Challengers/Chargers/Grand Cherokees will probably be highly desirable for enthusiasts in the future if they aren't molested with mods or driven into the ground.

Things evolve....
 

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Would be nice to hang onto these 392 Wranglers for decades, but as time goes on, gas and parts will become scarce. Hard to imagine now, but there will come a time pretty soon when electric and hydrogen fuel cell cars will be the norm and no one will want to touch a gas powered vehicle. 15 years is the current thinking on this. Yes, it's coming. No matter who you vote for or what flag you wave, corporations will move forward regardless.

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Would be nice to hang onto these 392 Wranglers for decades, but as time goes on, gas and parts will become scarce. Hard to imagine now, but there will come a time pretty soon when electric and hydrogen fuel cell cars will be the norm and no one will want to touch a gas powered vehicle. 15 years is the current thinking on this. Yes, it's coming. No matter who you vote for or what flag you wave, corporations will move forward regardless.

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Define “pretty soon” because that time is not nearly as soon as you might think. The technology is not even close to being a replacement for internal combustion (non-hydrogen) engines at this point. If you are saying 15 years is the turning point, I think you and whomever agrees with this will be unpleasantly surprised.
 

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I'm for progress, but I just don't understand how this can happen in the time frame that people project.

I agree that forcing it is a bad idea. I think it can/should happen, but it needs to happen at the pace society and the people overall want and can handle.

I have friends who live in a condo. How the heck are they supposed to own/charge a vehicle? When whatever technology makes that easily possible, then sure, but forcing it now is just not a good idea imo.

It will surely make me sad if I'm some day sitting with a 392 and can't find parts or other things to run it (let alone my YJ).

I will say this too though, while I don't think it should be forced, we definitely should be working on it. It's tough to believe we can rely on fossil fuels forever, and I'll be darned if we let someone like China lead the way on this.
 

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Well, think about change for a minute. Just 100 years ago, horse and wagon were still common in many areas. People who loved horses hated the loud, obnoxious gas powered contraptions rattling down the road. Many homes did not have indoor plumbing. A/c was unheard of. In 1903, the Wright Brothers first flight was announced. Just 66 years later we landed men on the moon.

Cars aren't going away, it's just the way they get power that will change. It's not un-American to want change or at least learn to live with it. Matter of fact, America thrives on change. If we don't lead the way, others will. We are already falling frighteningly behind other nations with education. That needs to stop or we're done.
 

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Well, think about change for a minute. Just 100 years ago, horse and wagon were still common in many areas. People who loved horses hated the loud, obnoxious gas powered contraptions rattling down the road. Many homes did not have indoor plumbing. A/c was unheard of. In 1903, the Wright Brothers first flight was announced. Just 66 years later we landed men on the moon.

Cars aren't going away, it's just the way they get power that will change. It's not un-American to want change or at least learn to live with it. Matter of fact, America thrives on change. If we don't lead the way, others will. We are already falling frighteningly behind other nations with education. That needs to stop or we're done.
When technology is primitive, giant leaps and bounds in progress are common, but as technology become more and more complex, those changes become more incremental and evolutionary rather than revolutionary. Just as has been said, cars are not being replaced with some other revolutionary type of transportation (a la horses to cars)… this is an incremental and evolutionary change to the vehicles we already know, but this change will take massive and slow growing changes to our world’s infrastructure and to how we think about how cars are built and the materials that are used. Anyone who believes that internal combustion engines will be effectively replaced by electric cars in 15 years has very little grasp on how engineering, science and legislation actually work! Sure, there will be more electric cars out there and there will be BETTER infrastructure out there for them in 15 years, but fossil fuels (and their synthetic counterparts) will not disappear. Also, the impact on the environment won’t be as dramatically reduced as some believe. If you want to follow the developments in alternative fuels and EVs more closely, join the SAE… I’ve been a member for over 20 years and I was on the team that launched the very first mass produced electric car (GM EV1). Ask me about what people were saying about the future of gas cars back in the 90s when we did that! 😂. Let’s just say, the predictions back then were a bit off as well. Toyota got closer than anyone with the Prius, but back then everyone thought we were on the doorstep of a brave new world. And if anyone here thinks I’m just an old fogey closed minded gas loving hot rodder who refuses to change with the times, I’m not. I currently have two Cadillac Lyriqs, a Hummer EV, and a Silverado EV on order. I’m not getting rid of the 392 or my 69 Cuda (or my Duramax) anytime soon, but I’ll drive electric when it suits the situation. And I’m banking on the fact that there are other people out there who feel the same. (So let me know if you are in the market for any of those EVs because I’m obviously not planning to have them all in my garage at the same time! 😂). I just want to be one of the first to experience them.
 

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And I’m banking on the fact that there are other people out there who feel the same. (So let me know if you are in the market for any of those EVs because I’m obviously not planning to have them all in my garage at the same time! 😂). I just want to be one of the first to experience them.
Is the hummer a FE SUV? If so, I'll take it. haha. I have the SUV on order, but I'd rather get a FE if I could. I freakin' love the paint color on those.

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I love the idea of having a 392 and a Hummer EV in my garage at the same time.
 
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Is the hummer a FE SUV? If so, I'll take it. haha. I have the SUV on order, but I'd rather get a FE if I could. I freakin' love the paint color on those.

I love the idea of having a 392 and a Hummer EV in my garage at the same time.
Unfortunately, not a FE. I ordered the EV3x Truck. I also like the idea of the truck along with my 392 Wrangler. I don't really have a need for a 3 row SUV (although, I just drove a 2023 Escalade V series and that might have changed my mind).
 

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When technology is primitive, giant leaps and bounds in progress are common, but as technology become more and more complex, those changes become more incremental and evolutionary rather than revolutionary. Just as has been said, cars are not being replaced with some other revolutionary type of transportation (a la horses to cars)… this is an incremental and evolutionary change to the vehicles we already know, but this change will take massive and slow growing changes to our world’s infrastructure and to how we think about how cars are built and the materials that are used. Anyone who believes that internal combustion engines will be effectively replaced by electric cars in 15 years has very little grasp on how engineering, science and legislation actually work! Sure, there will be more electric cars out there and there will be BETTER infrastructure out there for them in 15 years, but fossil fuels (and their synthetic counterparts) will not disappear. Also, the impact on the environment won’t be as dramatically reduced as some believe. If you want to follow the developments in alternative fuels and EVs more closely, join the SAE… I’ve been a member for over 20 years and I was on the team that launched the very first mass produced electric car (GM EV1). Ask me about what people were saying about the future of gas cars back in the 90s when we did that! 😂. Let’s just say, the predictions back then were a bit off as well. Toyota got closer than anyone with the Prius, but back then everyone thought we were on the doorstep of a brave new world. And if anyone here thinks I’m just an old fogey closed minded gas loving hot rodder who refuses to change with the times, I’m not. I currently have two Cadillac Lyriqs, a Hummer EV, and a Silverado EV on order. I’m not getting rid of the 392 or my 69 Cuda (or my Duramax) anytime soon, but I’ll drive electric when it suits the situation. And I’m banking on the fact that there are other people out there who feel the same. (So let me know if you are in the market for any of those EVs because I’m obviously not planning to have them all in my garage at the same time! 😂). I just want to be one of the first to experience them.


This is from Car and Driver in November 2021: "Ford, GM, Mercedes-Benz, and others, along with 30 nations, signed a pledge to eliminate sales of new gas and diesel-powered cars by 2035 in leading markets.”

From the Federal Highway Administration 2 weeks ago: "In keeping with President Biden’s commitment to build out a national network of 500,000 electric vehicle (EV) chargers by 2030, the U.S. Departments of Transportation and Energy today announced all 50 states, the District of Columbia and Puerto Rico have submitted EV infrastructure deployment plans as required under the National Electric Vehicle Infrastructure (NEVI) Formula Program established and funded by President Biden’s Bipartisan Infrastructure Law. These plans are required to unlock the first round of the $5 billion of Bipartisan Infrastructure Law formula funding available over 5 years to help states accelerate the important work of building out the national EV charging network and making electric vehicle charging accessible to all Americans. The on-time submission of every single plan demonstrates the widespread commitment from states to build out EV charging infrastructure to help accelerate the adoption of electric vehicles, create good jobs, and combat the climate crisis."

All I can tell you is that it's coming. I'm sure there will be political pushback on an unprecedented scale since big oil will be the loser, and people hate change, but those "in the know" in the oil industry are shifting resources: "United States-based EV maker Lucid Motors, which is more than 60% owned by Saudi Arabia's sovereign wealth fund, plans to build its first overseas production factory in Saudi Arabia later this year. The plant is expected eventually to produce up to 150,000 vehicles a year."

When Saudis start building EV's, you know the game is ending for oil.
 

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This is from Car and Driver in November 2021: "Ford, GM, Mercedes-Benz, and others, along with 30 nations, signed a pledge to eliminate sales of new gas and diesel-powered cars by 2035 in leading markets.”

From the Federal Highway Administration 2 weeks ago: "In keeping with President Biden’s commitment to build out a national network of 500,000 electric vehicle (EV) chargers by 2030, the U.S. Departments of Transportation and Energy today announced all 50 states, the District of Columbia and Puerto Rico have submitted EV infrastructure deployment plans as required under the National Electric Vehicle Infrastructure (NEVI) Formula Program established and funded by President Biden’s Bipartisan Infrastructure Law. These plans are required to unlock the first round of the $5 billion of Bipartisan Infrastructure Law formula funding available over 5 years to help states accelerate the important work of building out the national EV charging network and making electric vehicle charging accessible to all Americans. The on-time submission of every single plan demonstrates the widespread commitment from states to build out EV charging infrastructure to help accelerate the adoption of electric vehicles, create good jobs, and combat the climate crisis."

All I can tell you is that it's coming. I'm sure there will be political pushback on an unprecedented scale since big oil will be the loser, and people hate change, but those "in the know" in the oil industry are shifting resources: "United States-based EV maker Lucid Motors, which is more than 60% owned by Saudi Arabia's sovereign wealth fund, plans to build its first overseas production factory in Saudi Arabia later this year. The plant is expected eventually to produce up to 150,000 vehicles a year."

When Saudis start building EV's, you know the game is ending for oil.
Just keep watching... We've all read the legislation and know the purported "plan." Just for giggles... tell me how many of those 500,000 chargers have been added since Biden took office.
 

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Unfortunately, not a FE. I ordered the EV3x Truck. I also like the idea of the truck along with my 392 Wrangler. I don't really have a need for a 3 row SUV (although, I just drove a 2023 Escalade V series and that might have changed my mind).
Part of the issue with the Hummer SUV is that I think it's only 2 row (as far as what we know so far). Some people have a beef with it because of that.

That's fine by me. I'm with you, I don't need a third row and in fact would rather not have one.

I guess it makes sense to have a truck and a 392. Plus the Hummer truck has better stats iirc when compared to the SUV.
 

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Nobody has even mentioned the fact yet that there’s no way our current electrical grid will handle charging all of those EVs. And all of that additional demand will push electric prices through the roof. Also where is that electricity going to come from? 79% of the electric in the US is produced by fossil fuels, and it took 40 years to go from 90% to 80%… I’m all for change, but this forced change in unmanageable timescales is 100% going to backfire. Just look at the energy crisis in the EU right now, and it’s just beginning…

 

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No matter who you vote for or what flag you wave, corporations will move forward regardless.
It's ONLY coming because of the regulations pushed by a certain political party. Otherwise corporations would build what their customers want not what they're forced to build to comply with idiotic gr$$n policy directives. So vote how you want but know that voting for 1 of the sides makes you complicit in this socialist scam.
 

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Well, I guess commenters here with
It's ONLY coming because of the regulations pushed by a certain political party. Otherwise corporations would build what their customers want not what they're forced to build to comply with idiotic gr$$n policy directives.

With that logic it would only be happening in America then, since that political party is American. Reality is this is a world-wide phenomenon.
 
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