Rumor Mill Time - MY’23 Order Dates and Production Start

[YukonCornelius]

So take these rumors with a grain of salt. No one from Stellantis has publicly said anything of the sort that I could find, but rumors are flying that MY’23 order banks open June 15th and production will start in August.

Again, if true, 22’s will be one of the shortest model year runs in recent times - making it a highly sought after year down the road if history is anything like it has always been for muscle.

 

[1newbie]

My 2022 392/tuscadero/recon just showed up. Gonna order a 20th anniversary rubicon if it is anything like the concept.......

 

[Viking Jeeper]

I dont understand why a particular model year run being short makes it more sought after when its equipped the same as other years.

 

[KungFu392]

I dont understand why a particular model year run being short makes it more sought after when its equipped the same as other years.

Well, there are plenty of things in life we don't understand, but that doesn't make them less true. But this one is fairly simple... Rarity and scarcity are both drivers of inherent value in vehicles (and anything else that is collectible). Now, how collectible will any Jeep be in 20-30 years? That is yet to be seen, but if history is any indicator - and if you understand how history works, it should be - then IF the 2022 turns out to have comparitively low production numbers, then well-preserved examples from that model year will bring a premium even if a similarly (or even identically) equipped version exists in another model year.

Another key factor for the 2022 in particular is that it will NOT be the "virgin" year for the 392 and to anyone who understands auto manufacturing, that will make it more sought after than any 2021. You simply do not want a first run vehicle if you can avoid it, but again, I suspect at least some of the folks on this forum already know that... and unfortunately some of them for the wrong reasons. Also, it sounds like there is not likely to be an "identical" 2023 392XR from what we're hearing, so that will make them even more "unicornish." So that means @1newbie's Pinky XR may be a true unicorn... albiet and ugly pink one, but a unicorn nonetheless.

 

[Marksman]

I dont understand why a particular model year run being short makes it more sought after when its equipped the same as other years.

It doesn’t make sense from a practical standpoint that my ‘21 392 XR (that I picked up in early December of ‘21) with 500 miles should be worth less than a ‘22 392 XR (picked up in March of ‘22) with 2,500 miles, but it likely will be.

For example, I have an ‘06 TJ Rubicon Unlimited (aka - LJ) that is orange in color. It’s been years since I found this info, but I researched it at the time and found that only 146 orange ‘06 Rubicon LJ’s were ever manufactured, making it a rare bird indeed and therefore worth more than an ‘05 (or even an ‘06) LJ that is black or gray in color.

The exception on the 392 front being if the total number of 392’s built as a model year ‘22 is the same (or greater) than the total number of 392’s built as a model year ‘21. Then the value between the two might not be that different. For example, it is my understanding that all of the ‘21 392 XR’s were built in either October or November of 2021.

Just like with cars, trucks, guns, and most everything else in life… people want what they can’t have.

 

[KungFu392]

Just like with cars, trucks, guns, and most everything else in life… people want what they can’t have.

THIS!!! And they want it NOW!

 

[@JC]

Well, there are plenty of things in life we don't understand, but that doesn't make them less true. But this one is fairly simple... Rarity and scarcity are both drivers of inherent value in vehicles (and anything else that is collectible). Now, how collectible will any Jeep be in 20-30 years? That is yet to be seen, but if history is any indicator - and if you understand how history works, it should be - then IF the 2022 turns out to have comparitively low production numbers, then well-preserved examples from that model year will bring a premium even if a similarly (or even identically) equipped version exists in another model year.

Another key factor for the 2022 in particular is that it will NOT be the "virgin" year for the 392 and to anyone who understands auto manufacturing, that will make it more sought after than any 2021. You simply do not want a first run vehicle if you can avoid it, but again, I suspect at least some of the folks on this forum already know that... and unfortunately some of them for the wrong reasons. Also, it sounds like there is not likely to be an "identical" 2023 392XR from what we're hearing, so that will make them even more "unicornish." So that means @1newbie's Pinky XR may be a true unicorn... albiet and ugly pink one, but a unicorn nonetheless.

Does anyone really think the electronics in these vehicles will still be running in 30-40 years? I mean a barn find GTO can be restored even if it had a tree growing out of the hood because it's all mechanical but these modern vehicles are going to be nightmares for the next generation of collector... if we're even allowed to keep any "classic" ICE vehicles after the greenies finally get their wish, queue up Rush - Red Barchetta...

 

[KungFu392]

Does anyone really think the electronics in these vehicles will still be running in 30-40 years? I mean a barn find GTO can be restored even if it had a tree growing out of the hood because it's all mechanical but these modern vehicles are going to be nightmares for the next generation of collector... if we're even allowed to keep any "classic" ICE vehicles after the greenies finally get their wish, queue up Rush - Red Barchetta...

Ok Orson Wells... YES, these cars will still be running in 30 years and beyond and NO, none of us (and probably not even our children) will live to see these (ICE) cars universally outlawed and confiscated... lol. Sure, the fuel will likely change at some point and upfits may need to be made to handle the new fuels, but there is plenty of alternative fuel R&D happening as we speak (and has been for decades). And by the time the real push against petroleum happens, there will be alternatives that can also be used in traditional internal combustion engines (as opposed to requiring completely new engine types.

Also... remind me how "worthless" all of the other "outlawed" items are in the world... you know, like certain firearms, and other "contraband." I think we'll all be just fine, but if you are worried, I'm sure someone will take that new toy off your hands.

 

[Viking Jeeper]

It doesn’t make sense from a practical standpoint that my ‘21 392 XR (that I picked up in early December of ‘21) with 500 miles should be worth less than a ‘22 392 XR (picked up in March of ‘22) with 2,500 miles, but it likely will be.

For example, I have an ‘06 TJ Rubicon Unlimited (aka - LJ) that is orange in color. It’s been years since I found this info, but I researched it at the time and found that only 146 orange ‘06 Rubicon LJ’s were ever manufactured, making it a rare bird indeed and therefore worth more than an ‘05 (or even an ‘06) LJ that is black or gray in color.

The exception on the 392 front being if the total number of 392’s built as a model year ‘22 is the same (or greater) than the total number of 392’s built as a model year ‘21. Then the value between the two might not be that different. For example, it is my understanding that all of the ‘21 392 XR’s were built in either October or November of 2021.

Just like with cars, trucks, guns, and most everything else in life… people want what they can’t have.

I too have an 06 LJR (manual transmission with 32K miles). I don't believe for a minute that just because it was the last year it would be worth any more than an 05. There are no differences between 05 and 06 Wranglers, just as there are no differences between 21 and 22 Wranglers.

 

[KungFu392]

Let me know when you're ready to sell, then.

 

[@JC]

Ok Orson Wells... YES, these cars will still be running in 30 years and beyond and NO, none of us (and probably not even our children) will live to see these (ICE) cars universally outlawed and confiscated... lol. Sure, the fuel will likely change at some point and upfits may need to be made to handle the new fuels, but there is plenty of alternative fuel R&D happening as we speak (and has been for decades). And by the time the real push against petroleum happens, there will be alternatives that can also be used in traditional internal combustion engines (as opposed to requiring completely new engine types.

Also... remind me how "worthless" all of the other "outlawed" items are in the world... you know, like certain firearms, and other "contraband." I think we'll all be just fine, but if you are worried, I'm sure someone will take that new toy off your hands.

My uncle has a country place, that no one knows about
He said it used to be a farm, before the motor law...

 

[KungFu392]

My uncle has a country place, that no one knows about
He said it used to be a farm, before the motor law...

Love the song... love RUSH. I have a survivor '69 "Orange Barracuda" that, no lie, came from my great-great uncle's old lean-to shed. He bought the car new and it's been in the family since. Not quite "red" and not quite a Barchetta, but I still feel like that song was written FOR me.

 

[Viking Jeeper]

Let me know when you're ready to sell, then.

Talk to my son. He gets it when I die. Might be some time.

 

[Dral97]

Also, it sounds like there is not likely to be an "identical" 2023 392XR from what we're hearing, so that will make them even more "unicornish."

Out of curiosity, how is it expected to be different?

 

[KungFu392]

Out of curiosity, how is it expected to be different?

Well, nobody really knows at this point, but the talk has been of an “anniversary” Rubicon model or something. We may never see an “extreme recon” edition and it may never matter to anyone.

 

[Dral97]

Gotcha. I’m holding out for an anniversary edition, as long as it’s a 392. I’ll trade in my 22 for it if I can get one. Goal is a 23 anniversary Rubi and send it off to aev...again, as long as it’s a 392.

 

[YukonCornelius]

Well said @KungFu392 !

And to clarify, what myself and KungFu are referring to is long term… not short term flipping or even the 5-7 year average ownership. History has shown that American muscle (which Jeep is now a proud member of that club!) has traditionally become sought after vehicles, and production numbers have always driven price. The lower the production, the higher the premium.

Ironically, right now, a ‘21 on hand is worth more than a ‘22 in order. And 22’s on hand will be worth more than a ‘23 in order. Crazy “short term” world we’re in. It’s unprecedented what that might do to the long term prices.

 

[mini2nut]

I’m holding off for a 20th anniversary 2023 392.

We’ll see if the red leather interior on the concept makes production. If so I am choosing it. We will most likely see new color choices, 20th anniversary badging and maybe a slightly revised grill. Also, a 37” tire option to keep up with the Bronco R?

 

[YukonCornelius]

God I hope they don’t use that grille from the concept at Easter Safari

 

[stumblinhorse]

There are things that make each year unique. Like some early builds with the aluminum performance oil pan. The silver tailgate plaques are unique on the early builds. No idea if any of those unique traits will make something more sought after. Like split window corvettes. Or the huge curved rear window cuda’s. 5 window trucks. Only time will tell. There isn’t a lot of 392s regardless of year and model/options. Even less will be stock like an uncut rear wheel well ford bronco. And I know of 1 less 2021 hydro blue one of the 699 made, from the guy on Jlwrangler.

everyone that has one or one on the way, enjoy it, keep it, sell it, whatever you want to do. Only time and money will figure out what these will be worth in the future. I wouldn’t worry about.