My 1st 5 tire rotation

Fast-n-Furious

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 2, 2021
Messages
1,164
Reaction score
1,492
Location
PA
Ever since I did the first oil change, I had planned on doing the tire rotation myself. Over the weekend I did it at 4850 miles and thought to share some details with folks here. It's really not 392 specific.

Pattern (found on the JL forum):
1660070094490.png

Preparation:
Park on a relative flat area and use wheel chocks. I don't have any rubber wheel chock so I opted with some bricks, not ideal. Also engage the emergency break to lock the rear wheels. I also marked each wheel's original position with chalk so I don't get confused.

Jack points:
Different people have different methods/preferences in terms of jacking. In my case, I have a 3 ton long reach (24") floor jack and two 6 ton jack stands. I decided to jack up under the frame near front passenger side and put the jack stand to hold (with a rubber pad). Then went back to the rear and jacked up the axle tube of the right side. This way I can change the two tires on one side first then move to the driver side. You could also do it one corner at a time, or jack up the pumpkins and hold with four jack stands.

Loosening lug nuts:
I used a 25" breaker bar to brake loose the all the lug nuts before lifting up the wheels. I don't have an impact wrench, my impact driver with the 1/2" adapter was only used to take off the nuts afterwards.

Rust on break drum:
As you can see from the picture, I'm surprised by the rust developed on the rear break drum, the front one has minimal. I sprayed surface shield but not sure how helpful it can be.

Rotation:
After taking off each wheel, I also popped the center cap, so I can see if the wheel touched the drum after being mounted to the new position. I used a piece of scrap wood to align the mounting holes with the wheel studs at the new position. Then used the lowest setting (speed and torque) of my impact driver to reinstall each lug nut followed by hand tight with my break bar (I didn't push it hard because I'll use torque wrench to click).

Reinstall spare:
I couldn't just carry the spare tire all the way up back to the carrier, I had to jack it up high enough and I was afraid to damage the tire carrier due to the plastic feel... thanks to the long reach floor jack.

Torque spec:
59 for the spare, and 130 for the rest. But I chose to do 125 in case any calibration offset. And I had to use an extension (this doesn't change the torque reading) otherwise the torque wrench with the 22 mm deep socket couldn't latch well.

TMPS:
The TPMS relearned quickly after I drove a bit.

Service record:
Similar to what I did with oil change, I logged into Mopar.com and added this tire rotation record with the mileage.

Final thought:
It was a fun afternoon and I took my time at each step with some elbow grease while showing my kids what I did (they didn't really care though🤣). It was very satisfying when I heard each torque wrench click. Basically I spent over $300 for the tools and now I've had my first 5 tire rotation experience and I gave it 5 star. Down the road I plan to upgrade to 37" or bigger tire, and will still do it my way at every 5000 miles or less.

IMG_1270.jpg

IMG_1273.jpg

IMG_1272.jpg

IMG_1279.jpg

IMG_1294.jpg

IMG_1222.jpg
 
Last edited:
@Fast&Furious - WOW! I worked with very specific WP's (Weapons Procedures) written for working on/around nucweps in the Navy. You would have done us proud!!
Thank you Sir! What you did is way more serious. I'm just a car enthusiast and trying to learn/know more about my rig with some hands-on experience. If documenting the steps can benefit anyone else in the community, I'd feel good.
 
You know Jeep will do that for free. I took mine in for oil change under Jeep Wave and had them do 5 tire rotation and check balance of wheels.

On my JK, I did the 5 tire rotation everytime we went wheeling. I had a set of KM2's on stock rims for wheeling and KO2's for on road use.

Good write up and worth the effort I think, but I'm happy to let Jeep do it for free as long as they will.
 
You know Jeep will do that for free. I took mine in for oil change under Jeep Wave and had them do 5 tire rotation and check balance of wheels.

On my JK, I did the 5 tire rotation everytime we went wheeling. I had a set of KM2's on stock rims for wheeling and KO2's for on road use.

Good write up and worth the effort I think, but I'm happy to let Jeep do it for free as long as they will.
It's my first Wrangler, so I'm trying to take good care of it by avoiding the dealership as much as possible.

I had a Grand Cherokee in the past and one time I took to dealership for tire rotation, after an hour wait, the service advisor handed me the key. And when I checked based on the pictures I took earlier, they didn't even rotate any. So it went back again...
My in-law goes to Costco for tire rotation, they are pretty decent normally. But one time they caused a double threaded bolt, he ended up replacing the wheel stud.

The 35" tire from the XR is pretty heavy when I tried to carry it up to the carrier. I'll probably go to a local Discount Tire and build a relationship with them when I upgrade to 37" or bigger.
 
Where it gets really fun is when you move the spare next time to the rear right you are going to have to dismount the tire and reverse it on the wheel or it will be turning the opposite direction from when it was in the front driver position.

I worked in the high performance boating World for years and one of the top techs there used to work for the FBI, he was resposible for maintaining all the cruisers. He learned over years of a study that a radial tire that turned the same direction its entire life vs not lasted almost twice as long.

The fire tire rotation went out about 20 years ago, remember when the Jeeps had the spare tire cover on them? well that wasnr because they thought the smiley face was cool. It was because they didnt have to buy a 5th wheel, they could leave the cheap steel spare.

Today, you cant because of the cameras and third brake lights.

If you look close a lot of guys are running 35 and 37 and the spare is a 33 because it does not get used.

Come down to South Florida and the South of the Border Jeeps have no spare, the square back look is their thing and they claim they dont want to pay for a 5th wheel and tire for looks because it does not get rotated.

and BTW you can run a 37 Mickey Baja Boss A/T on that Recon wheel as it is 8 wide and the Mickey only calls for 8. Or if you like cool aid and buy the ME Too Nittos do not put those kids in that Jeep unless you change the wheels.
 
Radial tires getting twice the life if not rotated is an old wives tale. 5 tire rotation is the way to go.
 
Where it gets really fun is when you move the spare next time to the rear right you are going to have to dismount the tire and reverse it on the wheel or it will be turning the opposite direction from when it was in the front driver position.

I worked in the high performance boating World for years and one of the top techs there used to work for the FBI, he was resposible for maintaining all the cruisers. He learned over years of a study that a radial tire that turned the same direction its entire life vs not lasted almost twice as long.

The fire tire rotation went out about 20 years ago, remember when the Jeeps had the spare tire cover on them? well that wasnr because they thought the smiley face was cool. It was because they didnt have to buy a 5th wheel, they could leave the cheap steel spare.

Today, you cant because of the cameras and third brake lights.

If you look close a lot of guys are running 35 and 37 and the spare is a 33 because it does not get used.

Come down to South Florida and the South of the Border Jeeps have no spare, the square back look is their thing and they claim they dont want to pay for a 5th wheel and tire for looks because it does not get rotated.

and BTW you can run a 37 Mickey Baja Boss A/T on that Recon wheel as it is 8 wide and the Mickey only calls for 8. Or if you like cool aid and buy the ME Too Nittos do not put those kids in that Jeep unless you change the wheels.
Based on my past experience, I normally get new tires to replace the stock set even before it reached 30K miles. I didn't have to though. Not sure how it turns out with the 392 stock set.
 
Thank you @Fast&Furious for the great info about your 5 wheel rotation; quite helpful. Question for the Forum: has anybody used a "single wheel dolly" to mount and dismount the heavy 392 wheels? ... mine are the stock 35" XRs and they are relatively heavy. I am interested in this product and was curious if anyone knows of a better way to make it easier to mount/dismount the wheels. https://www.amazon.com/WINNTEC-Wheel-Dolly/dp/B0851YDNPR
 
Thank you @Fast&Furious for the great info about your 5 wheel rotation; quite helpful. Question for the Forum: has anybody used a "single wheel dolly" to mount and dismount the heavy 392 wheels? ... mine are the stock 35" XRs and they are relatively heavy. I am interested in this product and was curious if anyone knows of a better way to make it easier to mount/dismount the wheels. https://www.amazon.com/WINNTEC-Wheel-Dolly/dp/B0851YDNPR
I tried something similar and found that it was not really any easier. Maybe I just needed to develop the right technique but never got it to work and returned it. Now I jack the vehicle only the minimum amount needed, sit facing the tire and lift it on. I have found grabbing the wheel rather than the tire gives me better leverage.
 
Thank you @Fast&Furious for the great info about your 5 wheel rotation; quite helpful. Question for the Forum: has anybody used a "single wheel dolly" to mount and dismount the heavy 392 wheels? ... mine are the stock 35" XRs and they are relatively heavy. I am interested in this product and was curious if anyone knows of a better way to make it easier to mount/dismount the wheels. https://www.amazon.com/WINNTEC-Wheel-Dolly/dp/B0851YDNPR
I’m with @Viking Jeeper. You don’t really need any other tools to unmount/remount as long as you just lift the wheels and stop when they are just about an inch above the floor surface. It can’t be that accurate because it lowers a bit once you put the Jack stands to hold and remove the floor Jack. I had to seat the wheel on top of a 3/4” scrap wood piece to align the holes with the wheel studs. Unmount is fairly easy with your arm strength.

The spare tire needed extra effort though. Wasn’t too bad once I put the floor Jack there to support. You can also use a stool/chair or even stacked boxes to facilitate.
 
Thank you @Fast&Furious and @Viking Jeeper! What you said makes sense; I will not waste money on a single wheel dolly that isn't really adding much value ... it looked like a brilliant tool but after reading your advice the tool doesn't seem to look so brilliant ❌. I'm glad I asked the question. My money will be better spent on a shop chair, I think, as that will make all sorts of things easier. And it sounds like the best way to deal with the beefy tires is to simply improvise a bit and find techniques that work best for me. Thanks again for taking the time to reply!
 
Where it gets really fun is when you move the spare next time to the rear right you are going to have to dismount the tire and reverse it on the wheel or it will be turning the opposite direction from when it was in the front driver position.

I worked in the high performance boating World for years and one of the top techs there used to work for the FBI, he was resposible for maintaining all the cruisers. He learned over years of a study that a radial tire that turned the same direction its entire life vs not lasted almost twice as long.

The fire tire rotation went out about 20 years ago, remember when the Jeeps had the spare tire cover on them? well that wasnr because they thought the smiley face was cool. It was because they didnt have to buy a 5th wheel, they could leave the cheap steel spare.

Today, you cant because of the cameras and third brake lights.

If you look close a lot of guys are running 35 and 37 and the spare is a 33 because it does not get used.

Come down to South Florida and the South of the Border Jeeps have no spare, the square back look is their thing and they claim they dont want to pay for a 5th wheel and tire for looks because it does not get rotated.

and BTW you can run a 37 Mickey Baja Boss A/T on that Recon wheel as it is 8 wide and the Mickey only calls for 8. Or if you like cool aid and buy the ME Too Nittos do not put those kids in that Jeep unless you change the wheels.
Thanks for sharing your insights! I came across the 37” Mickey Thompson Baja Boss A/T the other day, they look great and pretty aggressive too. Would it cause any running at full turn/lock without any additional lift or wheel space or taller bump stop pads, if you know the answer.
 
Where it gets really fun is when you move the spare next time to the rear right you are going to have to dismount the tire and reverse it on the wheel or it will be turning the opposite direction from when it was in the front driver position.
BFGoodrich KO2's are bi-directional so you do not have to dismount and reverse them when you change the location. I've been running KO2's for tens of thousands of miles and have done 5 tire rotations without issues.
 
Did the 5-tire rotation for the second time. Pretty much followed what I did the first time. Except I used the ICON Flex head torque wrench, super nice. No need to use any socket extenders. And I set it to 130 ft-lb this time.

1679510875883.png

The spare tire is still a PITA to mount, did the same with using floor jack trick.
 
Also used rubber wheel chocks instead of bricks this time.
 

Attachments

  • 0FCDE1DD-8CAC-45E3-8D1E-0181DDB815FB.png
    0FCDE1DD-8CAC-45E3-8D1E-0181DDB815FB.png
    339.8 KB · Views: 6
Is there any reason against using an axle as a jacking point? That way you're not lifting the entire body 5ft up :)
 
Is there any reason against using an axle as a jacking point? That way you're not lifting the entire body 5ft up :)
I do use the rear axle to lift each side in the rear. Kinda busy near the front axle to be used as Jack points with my big floor Jack. That’s why I use the the frame.
 
Back
Top