At least the Stellantis CEO gets it….

[YukonCornelius]

https://www.musclecarsandtrucks.com/stellantis-ceo-carlos-tavares-foresees-raw-material-shortage/

 

[Rscx4]

When all these EVs are sitting dead on the side of the road, I’ll be idling by at 80 mph with a sweet little hum.

 

[Marksman]

https://www.musclecarsandtrucks.com/stellantis-ceo-carlos-tavares-foresees-raw-material-shortage/

Good to see that some in the industry understand that electric vehicles are not the panacea that many think they are…

Unfortunately, more than anything else, it may depend on what the heavy hand of government forces upon the manufacturers.

 

[Rscx4]

Good to see that some in the industry understand that electric vehicles are not the panacea that many think they are…

Unfortunately, more than anything else, it may depend on what the heavy hand of government forces upon the manufacturers.

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The supply chain for their ideologies doesn’t exist, and it’s not the manufacturers, it’s us.

 

[jchrisbauer13]

This is the harsh reality that those pushing EVs do not want to see or admit to.......current battery technology and the rare earth minerals they require are a far more limited resource on earth that fossil fuels. Their mining and production creates far more pollution and negative environmental impact than a ICE engine ever does - and that does not even take into account the toxic waste needed to be disposed of when their life cycle is done. Just because you don't fill em up with gas, doesn't mean they are carbon neutral by any stretch of the imagination....Current battery powered vehicles are far from efficient or green (when you actually count all the carbons burnt to make and deliver them) but those that drive them sure like to act like they are saving the planet from apes like us who drive oil burning beasts!! Do we need to do something different for the future? Yes, but current EV technology is far from the solution.

 

[dblplay1212]

I think it's unfair to say we'll have issues if EV's explode by assuming the raw materials won't be increased as well. I'm sure Henry Ford faced similar "Omg you can't make that many cars! Where will people get gas? There's not enough gas stations!" arguments too. It's a huge issue and something we as a country have been lacking on though, no disagreement there. But that's something for the market to figure out, and they will. Like it or not, this is the direction of the industry worldwide, not just here. We need to position ourselves better for it than we are now. It's not a surprise, we have huge money from the oil industry buying politicians to keep us oil dependent while the rest of the world is moving away from it.

 

[Rscx4]

Rare earth metals are called "rare" for a reason, they are elements and they are in limited supply. Hydrocarbons, however, are a molecule built from the most abundant elements on earth, they are not rare, and the earth naturally produces them. But to no surprise, we have huge money from the so called "green" industry buying politicians to make us all dependent on the limited supply of what they have absolute control over. The rest of the world can maintain their status as a peasant under the heel of the elite, a place where me and my 392 will never be found.

 

[YukonCornelius]

..current battery technology and the rare earth minerals they require are a far more limited resource on earth that fossil fuels.

Least we not forget that. They are called “rare earth” for a reason. We need to abandon the idea that oil is a “fossil fuel.“ It is a chemical process and it it done in labs every day around the world - but we lost focus in furthering that process, as well as other alternative fuels like hydrogen, because everyone has to jump in on this “electric” fad that apparently uses no resources to supply - on a very antiquated grid.

 

[YukonCornelius]

Hah! @Rscx4 ! You beat me to it!

 

[dblplay1212]

Rare earth metals are called "rare" for a reason, they are elements and they are in limited supply. Hydrocarbons, however, are a molecule built from the most abundant elements on earth, they are not rare, and the earth naturally produces them. But to no surprise, we have huge money from the so called "green" industry buying politicians to make us all dependent on the limited supply of what they have absolute control over. The rest of the world can maintain their status as a peasant under the heel of the elite, a place where me and my 392 will never be found.

The green industry is buying China? I'm not here to argue what direction we should be going, I'm just saying it's clear that the world as a whole is moving away from oil. We can ignore that and stay reliant on oil and fall behind the world or we can be a leader in that space. I'd prefer to be a leader and not be reliant on China. I'm not one of those people that think ICE will die during my lifetime. I do think EV's will continue to gain market share though and therefore that entire industry is one of growth. I'd like us to be on the front of that.

 

[jchrisbauer13]

I think it's unfair to say we'll have issues if EV's explode by assuming the raw materials won't be increased as well. I'm sure Henry Ford faced similar "Omg you can't make that many cars! Where will people get gas? There's not enough gas stations!" arguments too. It's a huge issue and something we as a country have been lacking on though, no disagreement there. But that's something for the market to figure out, and they will. Like it or not, this is the direction of the industry worldwide, not just here. We need to position ourselves better for it than we are now. It's not a surprise, we have huge money from the oil industry buying politicians to keep us oil dependent while the rest of the world is moving away from it.

Rare earth metals are called "rare" for a reason, they are elements and they are in limited supply. Hydrocarbons, however, are a molecule built from the most abundant elements on earth, they are not rare, and the earth naturally produces them. But to no surprise, we have huge money from the so called "green" industry buying politicians to make us all dependent on the limited supply of what they have absolute control over. The rest of the world can maintain their status as a peasant under the heel of the elite, a place where me and my 392 will never be found.

To do something just because everyone else is doing it is the oldest and worst argument to do something....the real question is should we? As well stated by Rscx4 and Yukon planning our transportation future on rare earth metals is only a setup for failure....."fossil fuels" will long be in abundance once the earth has be scoured for every ounce of lithium (or whatever unobtainium mineral the next battery is made out of) that can be found....but wait, those mines don't leave any green carbon capturing plants left - they wipe the earth bare! And, oh yes, we need more coal to power those "green" lithium battery powered vehicles......we humans are not rational but we do love to follow the pack.....Now, I'm going to be the first human to completely stop drinking water and drink only man made drinks with electrolytes(hopefully many will understand what that is referencing )

 

[dblplay1212]

Alright, not doing this back and forth all day. I'd prefer to not see the US fall behind in a massive new world industry. I'd prefer China not be the dominant leader in a new massive industry. I'll have my 392 until I die so I'm not a huge "let's ban ICE" guy at all. I just recognize where the world is going and I'd prefer to see the US being a leader rather than dependent on others in that industry.

 

[jchrisbauer13]

Alright, not doing this back and forth all day. I'd prefer to not see the US fall behind in a massive new world industry. I'd prefer China not be the dominant leader in a new massive industry. I'll have my 392 until I die so I'm not a huge "let's ban ICE" guy at all. I just recognize where the world is going and I'd prefer to see the US being a leader rather than dependent on others in that industry.

I can certainly agree with that!!

 

[scarab]

How about this guy?
https://www.theguardian.com/technol...ises-chinese-workers-for-extreme-work-culture

 

[dblplay1212]

How about this guy?
https://www.theguardian.com/technol...ises-chinese-workers-for-extreme-work-culture

He suuuuuuuucks. I'd never own a Tesla just bc of him. I'd like to see Ford, Chevy, and Jeep become bigger players just to take market share from him.

 

[stumblinhorse]

I think nothing will be as cut and dry as people think. Where I live it is too cold for electric, we have tractors and work vehicles that get run every day in sometimes -40*F all day long. We can’t run back to a charging station to re-charge every few hours. I think our society would like to forget the rural side of our culture, but it still exists. If we transition to importing all our goods and foods we could switch over to all electric. But hopefully that doesn’t happen in my lifetime. After that this country can have what it deserves…

 

[@JC]

I think it's unfair to say we'll have issues if EV's explode by assuming the raw materials won't be increased as well. I'm sure Henry Ford faced similar "Omg you can't make that many cars! Where will people get gas? There's not enough gas stations!" arguments too. It's a huge issue and something we as a country have been lacking on though, no disagreement there. But that's something for the market to figure out, and they will. Like it or not, this is the direction of the industry worldwide, not just here. We need to position ourselves better for it than we are now. It's not a surprise, we have huge money from the oil industry buying politicians to keep us oil dependent while the rest of the world is moving away from it.

It's only the direction we're going because of government fiat based on looney leftist lies, if it were left to the manufacturers and customers we'd all still be driving ICE vehicles. Just remember they couldn't sell the people on communism so they cloaked it in lies about the destruction of the planet and scared everyone into complying with their socialist agenda.

 

[dblplay1212]

nm

 

[dblplay1212]

I think nothing will be as cut and dry as people think. Where I live it is too cold for electric, we have tractors and work vehicles that get run every day in sometimes -40*F all day long. We can’t run back to a charging station to re-charge every few hours. I think our society would like to forget the rural side of our culture, but it still exists. If we transition to importing all our goods and foods we could switch over to all electric. But hopefully that doesn’t happen in my lifetime. After that this country can have what it deserves…

Agree, it's not going to be a super fast transition and some things may never transition. People like to be dramatic over it. The EV market is going to continue to grow though. I think we can all agree on that.

 

[thebrave]

To do something just because everyone else is doing it is the oldest and worst argument to do something....the real question is should we? As well stated by Rscx4 and Yukon planning our transportation future on rare earth metals is only a setup for failure....."fossil fuels" will long be in abundance once the earth has be scoured for every ounce of lithium (or whatever unobtainium mineral the next battery is made out of) that can be found....but wait, those mines don't leave any green carbon capturing plants left - they wipe the earth bare! And, oh yes, we need more coal to power those "green" lithium battery powered vehicles......we humans are not rational but we do love to follow the pack.....Now, I'm going to be the first human to completely stop drinking water and drink only man made drinks with electrolytes(hopefully many will understand what that is referencing )